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I read this from top to bottom and really have no idea what the message of this article is about. It has the word 'sex' in it so it must be interesting, right?

by w0utert 12y ago

thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
I have no idea either. All I clicked on was that survey about Japan not liking sex because I've seen it across the internet in the last few days. The survey reports a sample size of about 9000, which only encapsulates a few thousand in the younger brackets. Out of 120 million people I don't find that sample set really indicative of the sex life of Japanese people. Let alone taking account into how easily fallible surveys are, especially when asking about peoples sex lives.
- tinco 12y ago
  "only a few thousand"? Since when is a few thousand not enough to get significant results from a survey?
  - basyt 12y ago
    depends on how representative the sample is? But yeah, a few thousand _might_ be good enough if you are able to pick sufficiently randomly - but still from each representative class!
    - tinco 12y ago
      Yes of course, but it's a bit unfair to dismiss a survey you have not read on the basis of it being 'only' over 9000 people out of 120M, when that same amount in a properly set up investigation would be more than enough to make significant claims about a population of 300M. We can of course theorize about whether or not all classes where properly represented, and of course we can't immediately regard the results as absolute truth, but the fact is that this was a serious survey and should be treated as such until review has shown otherwise.
      - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
        Okay, I looked into it more. So Techcrunch references the quote below from the Guardian. "Look to Japan to see the start of this growing trend: over 25 percent of young men and 45 percent of young woman say they are no longer interested in sex." The Guardian makes this quote; "The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier" and references the formal study that is linked in the top comment and the one I also linked. http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp But this quote that Techcrunch took from the Guardian; " A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way." ... is linked to another study. Well they don't actually link to the study, just to the homepage of the people who did. http://www.jfpa.or.jp/ http://www.jfpa.or.jp/ Which has in the website title, "Every Child a Wanted Child", which isn't quite likely to be as unbiased as the official census linked above. Now I'm trying to track down the actual study which hasn't been referenced by either Techcrunch or The Guardian which has the major quote they are selling their articles with. Edit: Huffington Post ran a similar article with the same reference, they linked to this article as the source http://www.medindia.net/news/Government-Says-Young-Japanese-Losing-Sex-Drive-79507-1.htm http://www.medindia.net/news/Government-Says-Young-Japanese-... That article also does not have a reference to the survey.
        thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
        Aha I went on some huge investigative journalism trip. Finally I found what I was looking for, the entire sex-less youth of Japan sentiment is a sham. This guy writes about the whole ordeal and how it began. http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/suckers/ http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/suckers/ And the relevant quote; "In other words, the Internet was agog over a report that 22 males and 38 females aged 16-19 said either that they had no interest in sex or despised it. When the Huffington Post spun this story as “a third of the nation’s youth” disliking sex, they were basing it on the response of 60 self-selected people."
  - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
    I can't actually find how they calculated the quote "Look to Japan to see the start of this growing trend: over 25 percent of young men and 45 percent of young woman say they are no longer interested in sex," Here is the link to the survey, can anyone else point it out for me http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp
    - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
      It's just a weird statement to make either way. - Just because you say you are not interested in sex, does not mean you aren't having sex or having lots of it. - "They are no longer interested", when were they? when was anybody? - Do they mean completely uninterested? Or just less of a priority? All statistics aside, what does it even mean to not be interested in sex? Not chasing sex? Pure abstinence? No casual sex?
Svip 12y ago
From what I can tell the article suggests that technology will A) increase our ability to have sex safely and B) decrease our desire to do so.
athesyn 12y ago
It has a lot of random statements to try and justify the article as interesting. I'd like to see reasons why STDs will be eliminated besides 'because bioengineering' and then he links to an article about HIV 'cure'.
- basyt 12y ago
  That was just a bit too much for me. Bionic people would still be using condoms - that is just common sense. Also, will women still be getting pregnant in vivo? Because if so, then 'because bioengineering' wouldn't be sufficient protection from the hollow mutant zombie babies that would be produced (as a side effect of all the _bioengineering_)
  - lnanek2 12y ago
    I've seen quite a few career women hire surrogate mothers. E.g. their eggs, the guy's sperm, but a different mother. That's certainly something that's only possible due to medical technology. Similarly, the pill was a huge revolution and there are trials for reversible male contraception as well. If all STDs are curable and everyone controls their fertility by better means, why would you bother with a condom that removes the sense of touch for one of the parties?
- lnanek2 12y ago
  Are there any uncurable STDs left? Anyone who wants to be immune to HIV/AIDS just takes Truvada nowadays and even people who are raped get 30 days of anti-virals to prevent transmission. It's not a problem for the 1% any more, that's for sure, and the technology will filter down eventually.
  - ohyes 12y ago
    Antibiotic resistant chlamydia, genital herpes, hpv.

I read this from top to bottom and really have no idea what the message of this article is about. It has the word 'sex' in it so it must be interesting, right?

by w0utert 12y ago

I read this from top to bottom and really have no idea what the message of this article is about. It has the word 'sex' in it so it must be interesting, right?

thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago

I have no idea either. All I clicked on was that survey about Japan not liking sex because I've seen it across the internet in the last few days. The survey reports a sample size of about 9000, which only encapsulates a few thousand in the younger brackets. Out of 120 million people I don't find that sample set really indicative of the sex life of Japanese people. Let alone taking account into how easily fallible surveys are, especially when asking about peoples sex lives.

tinco 12y ago
"only a few thousand"? Since when is a few thousand not enough to get significant results from a survey?
- basyt 12y ago
  depends on how representative the sample is? But yeah, a few thousand _might_ be good enough if you are able to pick sufficiently randomly - but still from each representative class!
  - tinco 12y ago
    Yes of course, but it's a bit unfair to dismiss a survey you have not read on the basis of it being 'only' over 9000 people out of 120M, when that same amount in a properly set up investigation would be more than enough to make significant claims about a population of 300M. We can of course theorize about whether or not all classes where properly represented, and of course we can't immediately regard the results as absolute truth, but the fact is that this was a serious survey and should be treated as such until review has shown otherwise.
    - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
      Okay, I looked into it more. So Techcrunch references the quote below from the Guardian. "Look to Japan to see the start of this growing trend: over 25 percent of young men and 45 percent of young woman say they are no longer interested in sex." The Guardian makes this quote; "The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier" and references the formal study that is linked in the top comment and the one I also linked. http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp But this quote that Techcrunch took from the Guardian; " A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way." ... is linked to another study. Well they don't actually link to the study, just to the homepage of the people who did. http://www.jfpa.or.jp/ http://www.jfpa.or.jp/ Which has in the website title, "Every Child a Wanted Child", which isn't quite likely to be as unbiased as the official census linked above. Now I'm trying to track down the actual study which hasn't been referenced by either Techcrunch or The Guardian which has the major quote they are selling their articles with. Edit: Huffington Post ran a similar article with the same reference, they linked to this article as the source http://www.medindia.net/news/Government-Says-Young-Japanese-Losing-Sex-Drive-79507-1.htm http://www.medindia.net/news/Government-Says-Young-Japanese-... That article also does not have a reference to the survey.
      - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
        Aha I went on some huge investigative journalism trip. Finally I found what I was looking for, the entire sex-less youth of Japan sentiment is a sham. This guy writes about the whole ordeal and how it began. http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/suckers/ http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/suckers/ And the relevant quote; "In other words, the Internet was agog over a report that 22 males and 38 females aged 16-19 said either that they had no interest in sex or despised it. When the Huffington Post spun this story as “a third of the nation’s youth” disliking sex, they were basing it on the response of 60 self-selected people."
- thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
  I can't actually find how they calculated the quote "Look to Japan to see the start of this growing trend: over 25 percent of young men and 45 percent of young woman say they are no longer interested in sex," Here is the link to the survey, can anyone else point it out for me http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/Survey-e.asp
  - thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
    It's just a weird statement to make either way. - Just because you say you are not interested in sex, does not mean you aren't having sex or having lots of it. - "They are no longer interested", when were they? when was anybody? - Do they mean completely uninterested? Or just less of a priority? All statistics aside, what does it even mean to not be interested in sex? Not chasing sex? Pure abstinence? No casual sex?

Svip 12y ago

From what I can tell the article suggests that technology will A) increase our ability to have sex safely and B) decrease our desire to do so.

athesyn 12y ago

It has a lot of random statements to try and justify the article as interesting. I'd like to see reasons why STDs will be eliminated besides 'because bioengineering' and then he links to an article about HIV 'cure'.

basyt 12y ago
That was just a bit too much for me. Bionic people would still be using condoms - that is just common sense. Also, will women still be getting pregnant in vivo? Because if so, then 'because bioengineering' wouldn't be sufficient protection from the hollow mutant zombie babies that would be produced (as a side effect of all the _bioengineering_)
- lnanek2 12y ago
  I've seen quite a few career women hire surrogate mothers. E.g. their eggs, the guy's sperm, but a different mother. That's certainly something that's only possible due to medical technology. Similarly, the pill was a huge revolution and there are trials for reversible male contraception as well. If all STDs are curable and everyone controls their fertility by better means, why would you bother with a condom that removes the sense of touch for one of the parties?
lnanek2 12y ago
Are there any uncurable STDs left? Anyone who wants to be immune to HIV/AIDS just takes Truvada nowadays and even people who are raped get 30 days of anti-virals to prevent transmission. It's not a problem for the 1% any more, that's for sure, and the technology will filter down eventually.
- ohyes 12y ago
  Antibiotic resistant chlamydia, genital herpes, hpv.