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Best description of the messy state of HTML: hacking a flowing document markup language to implement GUI. Why couldn't we just get all the nice XAML/WPF contain

by CmonDev 12y ago

Best description of the messy state of HTML: hacking a flowing document markup language to implement GUI. Why couldn't we just get all the nice XAML/WPF containers in HTML5? Instead we get one more way of delivering streaming video. Most developers have to deal with layouts - let's focus on fixing that instead.

dasil003 12y ago
Kids these days, no idea how rough we had it back when IE had 90% marketshare and didn't update for decades on end. You think HTML5 is just about streaming video? The standards are out there and they are improving rapidly, look into flexbox.
- deleted 12y ago
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- visarga 12y ago
  Flexbox is not ready for use in projects that need to work with the browsers people use today.
  - dasil003 12y ago
    First of all, I'll repeat "kids these days" get-off-my-lawn speech because adoption is 100x faster than it was 10 years ago. Second of all, the point is that the standards are addressing these issues which the original commenter suggested they were not doing. Ignoring what standards bodies are actually doing before suggesting they're not doing anything and proposing some random lateral move that one happens to be familiar with is not constructive discourse.
    - innguest 12y ago
      We've seen what W3C has put out so far (XML, XSLT, XHTML...) and they do seem out of touch with the needs of developers. All I'm hearing from you is "the gods will help us" when it would be better if W3C were smart enough to specify a sane bytecode and then let innovation run its course on top of that, instead of trying to predict our needs (which they've shown time and again they're bad at).
      - dasil003 12y ago
        Stunning, just stunning. Not only do you put words in my mouth, but you also fail to acknowledge anything that's happened in the last decade of web standards (ever heard of WHATWG and HTML5?). And none of the willful ignorance you are so deftly displaying is even germane to my point. This is one of the worst replies I've received on HN, truly horribly conceived and executed.
rimantas 12y ago
The only HTML what is there is the "class" attribute. The rest is CSS.
- edoceo 12y ago
  And awesome data-* attributes right?

by CmonDev 12y ago

dasil003 12y ago

Kids these days, no idea how rough we had it back when IE had 90% marketshare and didn't update for decades on end. You think HTML5 is just about streaming video? The standards are out there and they are improving rapidly, look into flexbox.

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visarga 12y ago
Flexbox is not ready for use in projects that need to work with the browsers people use today.
- dasil003 12y ago
  First of all, I'll repeat "kids these days" get-off-my-lawn speech because adoption is 100x faster than it was 10 years ago. Second of all, the point is that the standards are addressing these issues which the original commenter suggested they were not doing. Ignoring what standards bodies are actually doing before suggesting they're not doing anything and proposing some random lateral move that one happens to be familiar with is not constructive discourse.
  - innguest 12y ago
    We've seen what W3C has put out so far (XML, XSLT, XHTML...) and they do seem out of touch with the needs of developers. All I'm hearing from you is "the gods will help us" when it would be better if W3C were smart enough to specify a sane bytecode and then let innovation run its course on top of that, instead of trying to predict our needs (which they've shown time and again they're bad at).
    - dasil003 12y ago
      Stunning, just stunning. Not only do you put words in my mouth, but you also fail to acknowledge anything that's happened in the last decade of web standards (ever heard of WHATWG and HTML5?). And none of the willful ignorance you are so deftly displaying is even germane to my point. This is one of the worst replies I've received on HN, truly horribly conceived and executed.

rimantas 12y ago

The only HTML what is there is the "class" attribute. The rest is CSS.

edoceo 12y ago
And awesome data-* attributes right?