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Dropbox and Deutsche Telekom partner in Europe

27 points by nikunjk 12y ago

aluhut 12y ago
So actually Dropbox becomes just another preinstalled app and Telecom won't have to invest into any kind of own cloud infrastructure.
spacefight 12y ago
The pre-installed apps you can't remove is a pest. Samsung is quite good at it too - you can't remove the Dropbox app at all without rooting your phone.
fnom 12y ago
and there i was hoping they were removing dropbox from their bandwidth limitations.
UVB-76 12y ago
This is the new Dropbox, with Condoleezza Rice et al on the board. How do you grow your installed base? Give a big corporation a load of money to install it on their customers' devices, whether they like it or not.
- kayman 12y ago
  The average consumer does not care. The average mom and pop just want to see it work across all devices. Take a photo, it available on your website or ios device immediately. Guido for technical expertise. Condoleeza for strategic partnerships. I see the plan now...
- hadoukenio 12y ago
  For now, it looks like there's a negative association with Dropbox and Condoleezza Rice. When only positive association can be seen on HN, can we then assume that the DoD's "social media" tools to control conversation has worked? (remember folks, this is no longer conspiracy territory).
  - mkal_tsr 12y ago
    Look at the jtrig section for shaping/honeypots, https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig-tools-techniques/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig... ... there's no evidence it is related, but when you think about that and social media to promote things ... does that mean imgur and dropbox were planned for honeypots and IPOs? At this point it seems it's best just to assume everything is compromised and backdoored, oof.
    - hadoukenio 12y ago
      Oh. That's the first time I've seen that. Thanks. Here's some pure speculation: DEADPOOL - is.gd MOLTEN-MAGMA - CloudFlare LONGSHOT - Dropbox PIXTRIX - Imgur It's interesting to note that the CEO of is.gd (Nick Craig-Wood) and CloudFlare's JGC both blogged about solving GCHQ's challenge... maybe they both got approached?
- bibinou 12y ago
  This has nothing to do with Rice. Dropbox has had pre-installing contracts with Samsung for 2 years. http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/12/how-dropbox-continues-to-win-pre-loads-on-devices-like-the-samsung-galaxy-s3/ http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/12/how-dropbox-continues-to-w... https://www.dropbox.com/help/297/ https://www.dropbox.com/help/297/
hadoukenio 12y ago
I guess all of that Internet rage at Dropbox getting Condoleezza Rice has faded. What's on TV?
oneofthose 12y ago
Is it just me or is this a 180 degree turn around for Deutsche Telekom? After the NSA scandal they planned to create an "All-German Internet" [0] (a strange plan to begin with) but now they seem to be saying: we don't care, let us let our users store their data in "in data centers across the United States" [1]. As if nothing ever happened. [0] http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/deutsche-telekom-pushes-all-german-internet-safe-from-spying-a-933013.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/deutsche-telekom... [1] https://www.dropbox.com/help/7/en https://www.dropbox.com/help/7/en
- ntaso 12y ago
  Especially since Telekom has its own cloud storage service.
  - hadoukenio 12y ago
    Especially since there was a story the other day about the US government having access to US companies' servers, regardless of whether or not they are on US soil.
    - mkal_tsr 12y ago
      Or the whole, "lol honeypot for files", https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig-tools-techniques/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig... (shaping and honeypots) ... so uh, that Rice to the board looks a bit more obvious now.
- thirdsun 12y ago
  Oh come on, "email made in Germany" was a marketing stunt all along - a simple way to benefit from the general rage related to the NSA scandal. It didn't make any sense in the first place and I'm sure Telekom is very well aware of this.
  - lmedinas 12y ago
    That's right since the "email made in Germany" and "full encryption" only works between the 3/4 major email providers in Germany. DT like any other company wants to sell and is pure marketing strategy.
kayman 12y ago
As a consumer, I find these bundled apps a pain. But a brilliant business move by dropbox to become ubiqutous as the default file sharing app. If they rebrand, you won't even know it's dropbox under the hood.
davedx 12y ago
Again: http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ I will not stop posting this on every Dropbox story on here. I find it reprehensible. Information from the linked site above on why you should not use this company's software and move to an alternative such as SpiderOak: Why Condoleezza Rice should not hold power at Dropbox * She helped start the Iraq War "The Iraq War directly caused over 120,000 civilians to die. The total body count, including soldiers, is nearly 188,000. Nearly 5,000 US and coalition forces were killed. Over 30,000 were seriously wounded." * She was involved in the creation of the Bush administration's torture program "Rice verbally agreed to allow torture methods to be used on captured suspects, and then lied about the extent to which she was involved." * Rice not only supports warrantless wiretaps, she authorized several "Rice not only spoke in favor of the Bush administration's warrantless wiretap program and expansive domestic surveillance program, she authorized the warrantless wiretap of UN Security Council members." Is this really a company you want to trust your data with, let alone your money given the blood on Rice's hands? I feel like a broken record posting this each time a story comes up on HN but I feel it needs to be said so people can be educated about this company.
- Einstalbert 12y ago
  Dropbox makes it easy for me to sync and share files (specifically funny meme images), I haven't found anything else that works the same way but without the, ah, interesting government aid. I've never heard of Spideroak, but it looks like it could be solid competition for what I want in specific. But now can it be trusted...
  - tP5n 12y ago
    the point of spideroak is that you (in theory) shouldn't need to trust "it", because encryption. depending on your use case this may or may not be the case anymore though, i haven't followed the recent development of their android app or their "hive" feature.
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sgift 12y ago
Really, Dropbox? DT? The most shitty telecom provider you could find? The pest of German internet access? The plague of providers? ... bah. At least it is only a pre-install program and not something like "we use Telekom for all our services in Europe". I hope it stays that way.
- UweSchmidt 12y ago
  More realistically, DT is (perceived as) a premium provider and his will automatically expand Dropbox's market and can be kind of a strategic partner (what Dropbox supposedly needs since the competition from big players is heating up). Speculation: Deutsche Telecom's equivalent product was most likely inferior and hasn't caught on well enough, so that's a win for them as well. The general (perceived) shittyness of all providers in general is just a function of the business model: huge number of customers pay for mostly fixed costs.
  - sgift 12y ago
    > More realistically, DT is (perceived as) a premium provider Okay, maybe my views about DT are really outdated, but ... premium provider? Who thinks about DT as a premium provider? The only thing I think about when I hear Telekom is "incumbent who does everything to stifle competition" and so do most people I know.
    - mobiplayer 12y ago
      Then you don't want to know about Telefonica in Spain or BT in the UK. It's the same thing with every ex-monopoly.
    - yoodenvranx 12y ago
      In my experience a lot of older people in Germany still think that DT is THE provider for internet and mobile.
domiono 12y ago
After Uber did the same thing a month ago with AT&T (http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/05/28/uber-partners-att-pre-install-app-new-android-phones/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/05/28/uber-partners-att-p...), this seems like the marketing strategy that becomes unlocked after hitting a $10B market cap.
ricricucit 12y ago
That is such an 80s Microsoft move.
edpichler 12y ago
Dropbox, a great company like that don't need this kind of strategy.
legulere 12y ago
Meh, I would have expected contracts of the DT bundled with Dropbox

27 points by nikunjk 12y ago

So actually Dropbox becomes just another preinstalled app and Telecom won't have to invest into any kind of own cloud infrastructure.

spacefight 12y ago

The pre-installed apps you can't remove is a pest. Samsung is quite good at it too - you can't remove the Dropbox app at all without rooting your phone.

fnom 12y ago

and there i was hoping they were removing dropbox from their bandwidth limitations.

UVB-76 12y ago

This is the new Dropbox, with Condoleezza Rice et al on the board. How do you grow your installed base? Give a big corporation a load of money to install it on their customers' devices, whether they like it or not.

kayman 12y ago
The average consumer does not care. The average mom and pop just want to see it work across all devices. Take a photo, it available on your website or ios device immediately. Guido for technical expertise. Condoleeza for strategic partnerships. I see the plan now...
hadoukenio 12y ago
For now, it looks like there's a negative association with Dropbox and Condoleezza Rice. When only positive association can be seen on HN, can we then assume that the DoD's "social media" tools to control conversation has worked? (remember folks, this is no longer conspiracy territory).
- mkal_tsr 12y ago
  Look at the jtrig section for shaping/honeypots, https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig-tools-techniques/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig... ... there's no evidence it is related, but when you think about that and social media to promote things ... does that mean imgur and dropbox were planned for honeypots and IPOs? At this point it seems it's best just to assume everything is compromised and backdoored, oof.
  - hadoukenio 12y ago
    Oh. That's the first time I've seen that. Thanks. Here's some pure speculation: DEADPOOL - is.gd MOLTEN-MAGMA - CloudFlare LONGSHOT - Dropbox PIXTRIX - Imgur It's interesting to note that the CEO of is.gd (Nick Craig-Wood) and CloudFlare's JGC both blogged about solving GCHQ's challenge... maybe they both got approached?
bibinou 12y ago
This has nothing to do with Rice. Dropbox has had pre-installing contracts with Samsung for 2 years. http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/12/how-dropbox-continues-to-win-pre-loads-on-devices-like-the-samsung-galaxy-s3/ http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/12/how-dropbox-continues-to-w... https://www.dropbox.com/help/297/ https://www.dropbox.com/help/297/

hadoukenio 12y ago

I guess all of that Internet rage at Dropbox getting Condoleezza Rice has faded. What's on TV?

oneofthose 12y ago

Is it just me or is this a 180 degree turn around for Deutsche Telekom? After the NSA scandal they planned to create an "All-German Internet" [0] (a strange plan to begin with) but now they seem to be saying: we don't care, let us let our users store their data in "in data centers across the United States" [1]. As if nothing ever happened. [0] http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/deutsche-telekom-pushes-all-german-internet-safe-from-spying-a-933013.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/deutsche-telekom... [1] https://www.dropbox.com/help/7/en https://www.dropbox.com/help/7/en

ntaso 12y ago
Especially since Telekom has its own cloud storage service.
- hadoukenio 12y ago
  Especially since there was a story the other day about the US government having access to US companies' servers, regardless of whether or not they are on US soil.
  - mkal_tsr 12y ago
    Or the whole, "lol honeypot for files", https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig-tools-techniques/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/14/jtrig... (shaping and honeypots) ... so uh, that Rice to the board looks a bit more obvious now.
thirdsun 12y ago
Oh come on, "email made in Germany" was a marketing stunt all along - a simple way to benefit from the general rage related to the NSA scandal. It didn't make any sense in the first place and I'm sure Telekom is very well aware of this.
- lmedinas 12y ago
  That's right since the "email made in Germany" and "full encryption" only works between the 3/4 major email providers in Germany. DT like any other company wants to sell and is pure marketing strategy.

kayman 12y ago

As a consumer, I find these bundled apps a pain. But a brilliant business move by dropbox to become ubiqutous as the default file sharing app. If they rebrand, you won't even know it's dropbox under the hood.

davedx 12y ago

Again: http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ I will not stop posting this on every Dropbox story on here. I find it reprehensible. Information from the linked site above on why you should not use this company's software and move to an alternative such as SpiderOak: Why Condoleezza Rice should not hold power at Dropbox * She helped start the Iraq War "The Iraq War directly caused over 120,000 civilians to die. The total body count, including soldiers, is nearly 188,000. Nearly 5,000 US and coalition forces were killed. Over 30,000 were seriously wounded." * She was involved in the creation of the Bush administration's torture program "Rice verbally agreed to allow torture methods to be used on captured suspects, and then lied about the extent to which she was involved." * Rice not only supports warrantless wiretaps, she authorized several "Rice not only spoke in favor of the Bush administration's warrantless wiretap program and expansive domestic surveillance program, she authorized the warrantless wiretap of UN Security Council members." Is this really a company you want to trust your data with, let alone your money given the blood on Rice's hands? I feel like a broken record posting this each time a story comes up on HN but I feel it needs to be said so people can be educated about this company.

Einstalbert 12y ago
Dropbox makes it easy for me to sync and share files (specifically funny meme images), I haven't found anything else that works the same way but without the, ah, interesting government aid. I've never heard of Spideroak, but it looks like it could be solid competition for what I want in specific. But now can it be trusted...
- tP5n 12y ago
  the point of spideroak is that you (in theory) shouldn't need to trust "it", because encryption. depending on your use case this may or may not be the case anymore though, i haven't followed the recent development of their android app or their "hive" feature.
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sgift 12y ago

Really, Dropbox? DT? The most shitty telecom provider you could find? The pest of German internet access? The plague of providers? ... bah. At least it is only a pre-install program and not something like "we use Telekom for all our services in Europe". I hope it stays that way.

UweSchmidt 12y ago
More realistically, DT is (perceived as) a premium provider and his will automatically expand Dropbox's market and can be kind of a strategic partner (what Dropbox supposedly needs since the competition from big players is heating up). Speculation: Deutsche Telecom's equivalent product was most likely inferior and hasn't caught on well enough, so that's a win for them as well. The general (perceived) shittyness of all providers in general is just a function of the business model: huge number of customers pay for mostly fixed costs.
- sgift 12y ago
  > More realistically, DT is (perceived as) a premium provider Okay, maybe my views about DT are really outdated, but ... premium provider? Who thinks about DT as a premium provider? The only thing I think about when I hear Telekom is "incumbent who does everything to stifle competition" and so do most people I know.
  - mobiplayer 12y ago
    Then you don't want to know about Telefonica in Spain or BT in the UK. It's the same thing with every ex-monopoly.
  - yoodenvranx 12y ago
    In my experience a lot of older people in Germany still think that DT is THE provider for internet and mobile.

domiono 12y ago

After Uber did the same thing a month ago with AT&T (http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/05/28/uber-partners-att-pre-install-app-new-android-phones/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/05/28/uber-partners-att-p...), this seems like the marketing strategy that becomes unlocked after hitting a $10B market cap.

ricricucit 12y ago

That is such an 80s Microsoft move.

edpichler 12y ago

Dropbox, a great company like that don't need this kind of strategy.

legulere 12y ago

Meh, I would have expected contracts of the DT bundled with Dropbox