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Funny how they make it sound like it was all planned, rather than "This was stupid idea that made many, who wanted to stay anonymous, avoid using G+". I remembe

Funny how they make it sound like it was all planned, rather than "This was stupid idea that made many, who wanted to stay anonymous, avoid using G+". I remember when G+ launched and almost everyone was criticizing this idea - maybe they should listen to the majority of potential users and G+ wouldn't be such ghost-town?

bduerst 12y ago
If I were to speculate, it has probably been in the works for months now. G+ changed leadership back in April, and the winds probably changed direction with it. [1] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/googles-top-social-networking-executive-departs http://bigstory.ap.org/article/googles-top-social-networking...
- aiiane 12y ago
  Longer. Edited to add: Yonatan also mentions in a comment on the official post that "Vic was 100% involved in the process and approved the whole thing months ago." I can vouch that this is the truth.
- psbp 12y ago
  Yonatan Zunger claims that Vic Gundotra approved the change.
  - aestetix 12y ago
    I won't believe that unless Vic can prove it. edit: I'm being downvoted, but remember that Vic is the one who pushed the names policy in the first place.
    - aiiane 12y ago
      It's still possible to change your mind. Also, some things to consider: (a) Yonatan is the tech lead for G+. This is something he would be an authority on. (b) I also work for Google, have no particular reason to be loyal to Vic [I've opposed the names policy from the start], and I'm also willing to vouch that Vic approved it. So if you still don't think that's enough to believe it, well, that's your prerogative, but I doubt anything is going to convince you in that case.
      - aestetix 12y ago
        Vic has been particularly offensive about this. The restaurant analogy comes to mind. He also stonewalled for a long time, was kind of a dick about it, and refused to budge when presented with evidence. If something magically made him change his mind, I would love to know what it was. That said, do you know what evidence made Vic push the names policy in the first place?
        aiiane 12y ago
        I don't think anything "magically" changed it - more just it evolved over time. See the quote from Yonatan I posted elsewhere in this thread regarding the original motivations and successes or lack thereof. No idea on evidence question.
        aestetix 12y ago
        Surely there were discussions which lead to the names policy, as well as more discussions that lead to the repeal of it? I have a hard time believing that a single person at Google (Vic) would be given so much free reign to make policy changes based on how it "felt" without having a shred of evidence. Unless I'm misunderstanding?
        a3n 12y ago
        Total guess: Google wanted a world where Google could sell real, identifiable people to advertisers. Not enough real, identifiable people came to the restaurant. At this point I doubt a name free-for-all is going to swell the occupancy.
pavanky 12y ago
It also comes after Vic Gundotra left Google. I do not know if that had to do with the decision.
- deleted 12y ago
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hsod 12y ago
> Funny how they make it sound like it was all planned I didn't get that at all. It read to me like "we thought this was a good idea, we think it had some benefits, but we have realized that it was ultimately a bad idea and so we are reversing it"
- bane 12y ago
  But again, it would have been nice if the completely valid reasons why this was a knuckleheaded idea had been heeded from the get go. It was rammed through out of pure stubbornness and damaged the entire brand. I'm guessing, based on personal anecdotes, it probably hurt user engagement as well.
sp332 12y ago
It was planned, as far back as I can remember. We understand that your identity on Google+ is important to you, and our Name Policy may not be for everyone at this time. We’d hate to see you go, but if you choose to leave, make a copy of your Google+ data first. Then click here to leave Google+. Oct 16, 2012 http://web.archive.org/web/20130311001441/http://support.google.com/plus/answer/1228271 http://web.archive.org/web/20130311001441/http://support.goo...?

bduerst 12y ago

If I were to speculate, it has probably been in the works for months now. G+ changed leadership back in April, and the winds probably changed direction with it. [1] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/googles-top-social-networking-executive-departs http://bigstory.ap.org/article/googles-top-social-networking...

aiiane 12y ago
Longer. Edited to add: Yonatan also mentions in a comment on the official post that "Vic was 100% involved in the process and approved the whole thing months ago." I can vouch that this is the truth.
psbp 12y ago
Yonatan Zunger claims that Vic Gundotra approved the change.
- aestetix 12y ago
  I won't believe that unless Vic can prove it. edit: I'm being downvoted, but remember that Vic is the one who pushed the names policy in the first place.
  - aiiane 12y ago
    It's still possible to change your mind. Also, some things to consider: (a) Yonatan is the tech lead for G+. This is something he would be an authority on. (b) I also work for Google, have no particular reason to be loyal to Vic [I've opposed the names policy from the start], and I'm also willing to vouch that Vic approved it. So if you still don't think that's enough to believe it, well, that's your prerogative, but I doubt anything is going to convince you in that case.
    - aestetix 12y ago
      Vic has been particularly offensive about this. The restaurant analogy comes to mind. He also stonewalled for a long time, was kind of a dick about it, and refused to budge when presented with evidence. If something magically made him change his mind, I would love to know what it was. That said, do you know what evidence made Vic push the names policy in the first place?
      - aiiane 12y ago
        I don't think anything "magically" changed it - more just it evolved over time. See the quote from Yonatan I posted elsewhere in this thread regarding the original motivations and successes or lack thereof. No idea on evidence question.
        aestetix 12y ago
        Surely there were discussions which lead to the names policy, as well as more discussions that lead to the repeal of it? I have a hard time believing that a single person at Google (Vic) would be given so much free reign to make policy changes based on how it "felt" without having a shred of evidence. Unless I'm misunderstanding?
      - a3n 12y ago
        Total guess: Google wanted a world where Google could sell real, identifiable people to advertisers. Not enough real, identifiable people came to the restaurant. At this point I doubt a name free-for-all is going to swell the occupancy.

pavanky 12y ago

It also comes after Vic Gundotra left Google. I do not know if that had to do with the decision.

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hsod 12y ago

> Funny how they make it sound like it was all planned I didn't get that at all. It read to me like "we thought this was a good idea, we think it had some benefits, but we have realized that it was ultimately a bad idea and so we are reversing it"

bane 12y ago
But again, it would have been nice if the completely valid reasons why this was a knuckleheaded idea had been heeded from the get go. It was rammed through out of pure stubbornness and damaged the entire brand. I'm guessing, based on personal anecdotes, it probably hurt user engagement as well.

sp332 12y ago

It was planned, as far back as I can remember. We understand that your identity on Google+ is important to you, and our Name Policy may not be for everyone at this time. We’d hate to see you go, but if you choose to leave, make a copy of your Google+ data first. Then click here to leave Google+. Oct 16, 2012 http://web.archive.org/web/20130311001441/http://support.google.com/plus/answer/1228271 http://web.archive.org/web/20130311001441/http://support.goo...?