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Thanks for pointing this out, I should have made mention in my post :) I've have seen tree style tabs – which does a great job for more advanced organization of

by dhenein 12y ago

Thanks for pointing this out, I should have made mention in my post :) I've have seen tree style tabs – which does a great job for more advanced organization of tabs. For my experiments (and Firefox features in general), we try and focus on simplicity and the more general audience.

baby 12y ago
TST is pretty simple to use and extensible if you want more. What you did was... not really practical. Have you tried using TST for a few days? I promise you won't be able to go back to any other way of browsing.
- MortenK 12y ago
  For developers and other tech guys maybe. But the average, non tech savy users have a very hard time understanding hierarchies and therefore tree controls. It's to such a degree that UX specialists like Alan Cooper strongly suggests never using tree views unless the data is naturally thought of as a hierarchy, such as a family tree etc.
  - baby 12y ago
    It looks a lot like the windows start menu. Which is pretty easy to use.
    - frandroid 12y ago
      I have seen people get lost in the Start Menu, and beg to have all their apps in one giant list at the top level.
      - baby 12y ago
        They get lost in it because there are too many things, but they understand how it works. Which is the point here since they would make the tree themselves with something such as TreeStyleTab
        frandroid 12y ago
        No, the cases I speak of get lost in it when they have tree-style menus, when their apps are grouped in different themes (games, tools, office) and want a flat, 3-column single layer.
  - xtracto 12y ago
    >But the average, non tech savy users have a very hard time understanding hierarchies and therefore tree controls Oh, that sounds very much like BS. "non tech saavy" users have been using hierarchies in computers since before Windows 95 (considering people that used MS-DOS as 'tech saavy' users). DOS/Windows folders were presented in a structure; File Explorer presented stuff in a structure manner. Hell, the "my documents" folder was structured... and even Gnome (the epithome of doing simple interfaces) presents folders in a structure manner.
    - MortenK 12y ago
      Because a UI control exists before Windows 95 doesn't mean it's understood by the majority of users. Also, there is a larger amount of users with minimal software exposure now than ever before, due to tablets and smartphones. If your computing experience is limited to iOS for example, chances are you'll never even have seen a nested tree view control, much less understand the hierarchy behind it. At least just read a minimum on usability and UX, before being so rude as to "call bullshit" based on your own personal opinion.

by dhenein 12y ago

baby 12y ago

TST is pretty simple to use and extensible if you want more. What you did was... not really practical. Have you tried using TST for a few days? I promise you won't be able to go back to any other way of browsing.

MortenK 12y ago
For developers and other tech guys maybe. But the average, non tech savy users have a very hard time understanding hierarchies and therefore tree controls. It's to such a degree that UX specialists like Alan Cooper strongly suggests never using tree views unless the data is naturally thought of as a hierarchy, such as a family tree etc.
- baby 12y ago
  It looks a lot like the windows start menu. Which is pretty easy to use.
  - frandroid 12y ago
    I have seen people get lost in the Start Menu, and beg to have all their apps in one giant list at the top level.
    - baby 12y ago
      They get lost in it because there are too many things, but they understand how it works. Which is the point here since they would make the tree themselves with something such as TreeStyleTab
      - frandroid 12y ago
        No, the cases I speak of get lost in it when they have tree-style menus, when their apps are grouped in different themes (games, tools, office) and want a flat, 3-column single layer.
- xtracto 12y ago
  >But the average, non tech savy users have a very hard time understanding hierarchies and therefore tree controls Oh, that sounds very much like BS. "non tech saavy" users have been using hierarchies in computers since before Windows 95 (considering people that used MS-DOS as 'tech saavy' users). DOS/Windows folders were presented in a structure; File Explorer presented stuff in a structure manner. Hell, the "my documents" folder was structured... and even Gnome (the epithome of doing simple interfaces) presents folders in a structure manner.
  - MortenK 12y ago
    Because a UI control exists before Windows 95 doesn't mean it's understood by the majority of users. Also, there is a larger amount of users with minimal software exposure now than ever before, due to tablets and smartphones. If your computing experience is limited to iOS for example, chances are you'll never even have seen a nested tree view control, much less understand the hierarchy behind it. At least just read a minimum on usability and UX, before being so rude as to "call bullshit" based on your own personal opinion.