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If you downvoted, feel free to share your opinion on why this is wrong. I could care less about the votes, I want to hear your discussion! Why would you use PHP

If you downvoted, feel free to share your opinion on why this is wrong. I could care less about the votes, I want to hear your discussion! Why would you use PHP? Here's an excerpt from a Facebook engineer explaining why we still use PHP: "The reason Facebook hasn't migrated away from PHP is because it has incumbent inertia (it's what's there) and Facebook's engineers have managed to work around many of its flaws through a combination of patches at all levels of the stack and excellent internal discipline via code convention and style - the worst attributes of the language are avoided and coding style is rigidly enforced through a fairly tight culture of code review"

federico3 12y ago
Vulnerabilities in the vm only, not including libraries and frameworks: http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/74/PHP.html http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/74/PHP.html Feel free to compare it with other languages.
- tene 12y ago
  I'm curious what happened in 2007; why were there so many more vulnerabilities, especially code execution?
eropple 12y ago
I'm not a habitual PHP user, and I have perturbed many electrons on why I wouldn't use it for nontrivial projects, but I could slam out something for which I don't care about security or performance in a very short period of time. Rails, Play, etc. have some friction; Sinatra makes you reinvent a lot of wheels. You really can just fart something out in PHP very rapidly.
- marco1 12y ago
  It's important to state that I do care about security here, but I don't care about performance that much.
swalkergibson 12y ago
You answered the question yourself. If someone is a wizard in PHP, then they should use PHP. People that get caught up in the decision of what language to use don't ship code. Shipped code > language decision circle jerks.
- SuperKlaus 12y ago
  Exactly! Done > Perfect
sarciszewski 12y ago
Funny, I've fixed a flaw in the Facebook SDK already, so they aren't that imprevious to making the same mistake :P
opendais 12y ago
I downvoted because you make grandiose claims without any real, non-FUD sources beyond you work at Facebook. You just say there are "BETTER THINGS!!!" without listing at least one and why. 1) From a productivity standpoint PHP is pretty hard to beat in general....if you already know PHP. 2) A poor craftsman blames the tool. 3) PHP's inertia extends to the entire ecosystem really, not just the tool.

federico3 12y ago

Vulnerabilities in the vm only, not including libraries and frameworks: http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/74/PHP.html http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/74/PHP.html Feel free to compare it with other languages.

tene 12y ago
I'm curious what happened in 2007; why were there so many more vulnerabilities, especially code execution?

eropple 12y ago

I'm not a habitual PHP user, and I have perturbed many electrons on why I wouldn't use it for nontrivial projects, but I could slam out something for which I don't care about security or performance in a very short period of time. Rails, Play, etc. have some friction; Sinatra makes you reinvent a lot of wheels. You really can just fart something out in PHP very rapidly.

marco1 12y ago
It's important to state that I do care about security here, but I don't care about performance that much.

swalkergibson 12y ago

You answered the question yourself. If someone is a wizard in PHP, then they should use PHP. People that get caught up in the decision of what language to use don't ship code. Shipped code > language decision circle jerks.

SuperKlaus 12y ago
Exactly! Done > Perfect

sarciszewski 12y ago

Funny, I've fixed a flaw in the Facebook SDK already, so they aren't that imprevious to making the same mistake :P

opendais 12y ago

I downvoted because you make grandiose claims without any real, non-FUD sources beyond you work at Facebook. You just say there are "BETTER THINGS!!!" without listing at least one and why. 1) From a productivity standpoint PHP is pretty hard to beat in general....if you already know PHP. 2) A poor craftsman blames the tool. 3) PHP's inertia extends to the entire ecosystem really, not just the tool.