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Show HN: Tiny VPSs without exhausting IPv4 addresses
- therealidiot 12y agoSeems like a cool idea, what are the chances of getting dedicated IPv6?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe're introducing it ASAP. Currently we can provide clients with a tunnelled IPv6 address to an Amsterdam POP. This still offers good speeds and adds little latency. If you desire this then please submit a ticket and we can set it up. Also if anyone is interested in how this is technically setup then I wrote an [article][0] [0]: http://blog.definedcodehosting.com/openvz-nat-vps http://blog.definedcodehosting.com/openvz-nat-vps
- axyjo 12y agoCool idea. Have you considered submitting it to lowendbox.com?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe've submitted and we're just waiting for staff to get round to our offer. Thanks for the feedback!
- graystevens 12y agoSounds similar to http://lowendspirit.com/ http://lowendspirit.com/ where you get a a port range on an IPv4 address, and x amount of dedicated IPv6 addresses. Super cheap, great for a private VPN or two.
- vznatvps 12y agoWe're offering a similar service, spoke to the owner of LES yesterday who is quite [happy][0] with us offering the community a similar service since it's not really profitable but more as an effort to help the community and offer something cool. [0]: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/658755/#Comment_658755 http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/658755/#Comment_658...
- bryanlarsen 12y agoHow about putting HAProxy or nginx in front of those servers to make port 80 available?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe're happy to do that for any clients via a ticket. We cannot guarantee it for everyone since it takes time, but we are certainly happy to do it.
- swinglock 12y agoThere's a ticket system? When hitting the ordering page you have to tick a box that says the services has no support.
- vznatvps 12y agoThere's no support for a reason. These are very low cost and therefore we're not willing to commit to providing support. We will help when we have time and where we can and I'd be happy to either setup IPv6 or reverse proxy a domain for a client if and when I have time. Anyway tickets can be submitted here: https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=2&deptid=1 https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=...
- tacticus 12y agoUsing something like hipache (or hipache-nginx or even some service written internally) you could probably cut down on your human interaction time. Combine that with SNI hosting (unfortunately we would have to give you the keys for it)
- dspillett 12y agoThere are quite a few VPS services out there that offer IPv6 only. With those if you want to make anything on the services accessible via IPv4 you need to do it via another route, such as a VPN (or even just a port forward) to/from somewhere where you have an address to spare or for websites perhaps somewhere where you run nginx as a reverse proxy. In fact some infrastructure-as-a-service companies like CloudFlair offer this as a service: your users talk to them via IPv4 or IPv6 but they always talk to you via IPv6. Some offer IPv6 with "IPv4 NAT" which allows you to call out via IPv4 as normal and may include calling in but not on standard ports (i.e. not 80 for HTTP, 22 for SSH, and so forth).
- spindritf 12y agoSome also offer reverse proxy for web hosting so it works on :80. I don't know if/how they deal with ssl. You can probably do something going off SNI.
- dspillett 12y agoIt would have to be SNI for SSL unless they had an absolute shed load of IPv4 addresses space available, though if they are charging for the service that would increase the chance of getting a dedicated IPv4 upon which you have sole use of port 443.
- cwyers 12y agoWhen you say "Choice of Linux OS," what are you currently offering?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe're currently offering 32bit and 64bit varieties of the following: CentOS 6, Debian 7, Ubuntu 12.04, Ubuntu 14.04. If there is a custom template you desire we can probably provide it, just PM us or drop a ticket.
- iamtew 12y agoInteresting service. I've seen other places doing the same, and I really should brush up on my IPv6 knowledge.. As a side-note; I'm getting mixed-content warnings when accessing your website. You have the PureCSS framework included with a http link, instead of https. yui.yahooapis.com doesn't support https, so you need to host it yourself to get rid of this warning. You also have a picture hosted on imgur.com, which does support https. Maybe consider updating your links to not include http/https and just use :// instead?
- yuropa 12y agoAny chance of seeing OpenBSD on this? It seems like you've mentioned doing custom templates if requested.
- bnejad 12y agoCool service. Not that it matters much but on your linked page the "Unmanaged" and RAM amount are in different row positions for each Mini
- deckiedan 12y agoVery cool - I could see this as a very useful tool to have for personal git repos, email, and as a proxy for getting around firewalls / testing sites from another country (geoIP stuff). How much free space is left on each VPS with the operating system installed?
- vznatvps 12y agoThey all take roughly 0.75GB of space since they're minimal installs. Yeah OpenVPN works fine on this setup.
- bluedevil2k 12y agoThe shortage of IPv4 addresses is somewhat of a misnomer - there are a few sites selling huge ranges of them for about $10/address
- vznatvps 12y agoThey might sell them for that but when you're selling to a "low end" market at £4/year $10/address is quite expensive. Especially when we don't need a range bigger than a /27. I agree there are still IPv4 addresses about but this teaches people that they are running out and we should look for other solutions.
- bluedevil2k 12y agoYou can buy them in /22 blocks, but if you only need 32 addresses, then I guess that is overkill.
- vznatvps 12y agoOut of interest do you have a URL?
- bluedevil2k 12y agohttp://ipv4hub.com http://ipv4hub.com - this is a company I'm at, if you have questions email me. (from my HN profile)
- kstrauser 12y agoAt $10/IP, I'd say "shortage" is pretty well defensible. We'll never run out of IPv4 addresses. We'll just reach a point where each one has a mortgage-sized pricetag. (Well, we would if we were stuck with IPv4, anyway.)
- fotoblur 12y ago"This means that when you host a website you will have to append a port to the end" No thanks.
- ForHackernews 12y agoWhat are you policies around running Tor nodes?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe forbid it. Considering you only have 50GB traffic usage / month I would not advise it even if we did allow it.
- drazvan 12y agoHow about non-exit nodes. I'm actually working on an app (Bitcoin-related) that receives commands from satellite-connected devices (very low bandwidth) and then relays those over the Tor network to a processing server hosted by the user. So this would require a Tor node on the server to get the satellite request and forward it over Tor. Would this be an acceptable use? Bandwidth requirements would be extremely low (I would say less than 100MB/month in 99% of the cases).
- vznatvps 12y agoWe could talk about accepting this. Fancy submitting a ticket? https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=2&deptid=1 https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=...
- bluedino 12y ago64MB? 128MB? What applications are there for that little RAM except maybe an IRC shell?
- hrjet 12y agoI was running a Twitter client (servlet + Postgres) in a 64MB VPS not too long ago. There were about ~2000 active users.
- vznatvps 12y agoYou can run a whole LAMP stack on that. EDIT: That being the 64MB.
- kephra 12y agoeven worse: 64MB of VZ memory is much less then 64MB of real memory, as VZ limits allocated and not dirty memory.
- Kadin 12y agoStatically-rendered websites (Jekyll, Blosxom, etc.) would work fine. Though having a weird port number on a blog URL would probably cause me to think twice before clicking on it, at least from a bare-metal Windows machine; it makes me think "botnet dropper".
- vznatvps 12y agoWe can offer clients the ability to reverse proxy their domain to their VPS so they wouldn't need to append a port.
- simon_vetter 12y agoI would definitely offer native, unrestricted ipv6 access from day one if I was going to roll out restricted ipv4 connectivity. Not sure why they did not deploy it, but it seems like you can get ipv6 from a lot of other low-end, cheap providers.
- vznatvps 12y agoExpensive from the DC. We're introducing it ASAP. Currently we can provide clients with a tunnelled IPv6 address to an Amsterdam POP. This still offers good speeds and adds little latency. If you desire this then please submit a ticket and we can set it up.
- devicenull 12y agoIPv6 is expensive from your DC? What's their reasoning there? Most places are pretty much giving IPv6 space away.
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- vznatvps 12y agoGood news we've got IPv6 support coming by the end of tomorrow (hopefully). All existing clients will get an IPv6 address and all new clients will obviously get one.
- xanderstrike 12y agoI'm confused. £4 ($6.83) for a 64mb RAM, 3GB VM vs. $5 (£2.93) 512mb RAM, 20GB SSD from DigitalOcean I'm seeing zero advantage and a whole lot of disadvatage for my extra $1.83. Honestly, you can colo a Raspberry Pi and have a better machine for cheaper. DigitalOcean even has ipv6 now. What's the point?
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- vznatvps 12y agoWe're a UK company but we house our servers in NL.
- dewey 12y ago£4/year, digitalocean is $5/month
- nacs 12y agoThe £4 is per year (ie: compared to $60 for the year with DO).
- vznatvps 12y agoWe offer it for £4/year not month. SO significantly cheaper. A Raspberry Pi would not provide better performance than the E3 we have. Anyway an idea: it's fun. Trying to run a whole LAMP stack or a RoR stack on 64MB RAM is more fun than not using all your resources. Also we're cheap and people like that. We might not always beat them in performance but we don't break the bank either.
- StavrosK 12y agoI was about to post the same comment as the GP. I thought this was per month, and was going to say it was horribly overpriced. Now it's not :P
- throwaway-6836 12y agoCoupon code INTROLEBT for £2/year Mini 64 and £4/year Mini 128. You can use CloudFlare as a reverse proxy for "native" IPv4 and IPv6.
- heyalexej 12y agoAny chance of accepting Bitcoin?
- vznatvps 12y agoWe were waiting till Stripe supported it, but we've just applied to Bitpay. If you submit a ticket I can keep you updated: https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=2&deptid=1 https://definedcodehosting.com/client/submitticket.php?step=...
- vznatvps 12y agoWe now accept Bitcoin via BitPay.
- gergles 12y agoThere is some arbitrary length limit on root passwords that isn't disclosed anywhere (or reported if you exceed it.) I had to truncate my password several times to get it to actually work.
- vznatvps 12y agoOops, this is a limit set by WHMCS not us. You can always change it in your VPS.
- n2j3 12y agofollowing root passwords seem to fail too.. 4cX|%:8emq94L8X ,6r7oh97S|b"+1Z 2#E24IC^&G(x47P I tried an alphanumeric of the same length (15 characters) and it worked. So i doubt it's a length issue.
- edwintorok 12y agoAny plans to support Xen? Then one could run Mirage unikernels (http://openmirage.org/ http://openmirage.org/) ...
- vznatvps 12y agoAt this price, probably not. In the future with different plans, maybe.
- kstrauser 12y agoMay I offer a free piece of advice? Hire a proofreader. There are so many grammar mistakes, like run-ons and sentence fragments, that it's a little hard to follow. It looks amateurish, and I think you've worked too hard to make people question your professionalism?
- vznatvps 12y agoThanks for the advice, I'll get someone to proofread it however at this price I can assure you that we have to dedicate the majority of our budget to technicalities.
- varkson 12y agoI'm glad you didn't charge OP for that advice.
- kstrauser 12y agoI thought about it, but there's all the paperwork and the taxes and such, you know.
- sfeng 12y agoI would think about adding a virtual host-based proxy. That way users could provide you with their domain(s), and you could forward traffic on port 80/443 for that host to the appropriate vm.
- vznatvps 12y agoWe have that, clients can just submit a ticket and we're happy to do it.
- ridgewell 12y agoI can't tell if this is just shameless advertising. Just for the record, LowEndSpirit.com has done the same thing well before this was launched.