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Been programming for 30+ years, [can solve any problem] in computing, have saved companies millions and invented new ways of doing entire processes for thousand

Been programming for 30+ years, [can solve any problem] in computing, have saved companies millions and invented new ways of doing entire processes for thousands and thousand of people -> I have no idea what most of those matrices were on about. I think I'm a shit programmer. Edit: [have never come across a problem I couldn't solve given time (as I think is the case for most of us)] - fair enough jafaku

jafaku 12y ago
> can solve any problem in computing Maybe you should have phrased that differently, because it's obviously false.
aethertron 12y ago
How long would it take you to solve world hunger?
- hitchhiker999 12y ago
  42
charlesism 12y ago
I read five or six of those boxes and then just snorted in disgust. It looks like a great slide to show suckers if you're a productivity consultant. A sane chart would be less verbose, and more depressing. You can code your whole life, and still have struggles with pointers, threads, algorithms, new languages, etc. The majority of coders wouldn't even rank in the first column. I'm not a complete dummy but it took me a year before I could instinctively avoid "off-by-one" errors in loops, and almost ten years just to learn to name variables in a relatively self-documenting fashion.
- circlefavshape 12y ago
  Haha - the older I get the more I agree with the catchphrase about variable naming being one of the hard problems of programming. Get that right and so many other problems never even arise
  - collyw 12y ago
    I would agree with you if you are talking about halfway decent programmers. I have seen some really poor code that naming conventions wouldn't save.
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- hitchhiker999 12y ago
  I remember I figured out 'interfaces' about 5 years after starting to deal with them. I'm not proud of that. I had no books, so... still. I also occasionally double-take on an 'off-by-one', and happily will spend 2 hours tracking down a rookie mistake I've made. Half the crap they ask you at an interview (thankfully haven't had to do one in 15 years) I wouldn't recognise, but would have probably done IRL about 1000 times. Cliche as it is - the better you get, the more you realise how little you know.
  - charlesism 12y ago
    I paused before I wrote "instinctively avoid" actually, because I didn't want to imply that I never get caught out anymore. But I was thinking back to my early days - I vividly remember complaining to myself "why didn't they make the first element 1!" Hey, maybe I was right, I don't have the perspective anymore. Like all of you, I've internalized counting up from 0 to the point where it seems like the only sane thing to do.
    - hitchhiker999 12y ago
      Yes, I never thought of that way. I remember once feeling a moment of confusion IRL: "Please go to window 2 sir.." -> "*but there's only 2 .. ahh ..ok.." - just that ever so slight moment of brain fail. It was similar to the feeling of needing to weave left and right when you walk down the street after playing 20 hours of games that have a good sniper class.
coldtea 12y ago
How about the halting problem?
- hitchhiker999 12y ago
  I'm not going to Google it, I don't know what you're talking about. I assume it's some 'thing' that's impossible/hard to solve. I'm sure someone will solve it if it's possible. It won't be me.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    Hmm, if the claim of being able to solve everything by yourself (just "given time") wasn't dubious enough in itself, not knowing the "halting problem" (something very well established, at the very core of computer science, quite famous even as a trivia, and with several implications), would surely cast some doubts on it... You might be perfectly able to solve most of the regular problems programmers encounter in everyday IT (e.g CRUD apps, a fault tolerant service, etc), but without CS fundamentals including detailed domain knowledge of several area solving a lot of problems (much less "most of them") is nigh impossible. A lot of problems (advanced DSP, GUI library design, advanced compiler/GC design, speech recognition, database engine, etc) require large teams and specialists to do properly. Except if by "enough time" you mean "enough time to read the literature, become an expert, and devote many lifetimes worth of man-months to each project". In which case, duh, we're talking about a god-like premise anyway...
    - hitchhiker999 12y ago
      Well I've been programming since I was 6 years old, and i'm 38 now. I am what I am, I have yet to encounter any issue I couldn't solve. I don't deal with those sort of things though, so no idea if I could or not. When I started there wasn't CS readily available, and I was a child - so I don't have your background. It would have saved me a lot of time if I did. I guess I'm from a different type of crew than you - we probably work very differently -> To each his/her own. Obviously my original statement wasn't to be taken so literally, it was meant to be glib and careless. I didn't make that clear I guess. My apologies. Edit: Out of respect I looked it up - I've thought about that before, didn't know it had a name. It's impossible to determine (quite obviously - though you could establish a rough probability). I will make an effort to remember the name for next time.
collyw 12y ago
I was thinking along the same lines. I can code to the standards described on the right, but a lot of the time it ends up being closer to the stuff on the left, as it is a quick script to update the database once, and won't be used again.
- hitchhiker999 12y ago
  My stuff is a combination of the left column, and other times hugely overly flexible / elegant stuff that ends up never getting fully utilised (and me thinking I should have stuck to the left column)

jafaku 12y ago

> can solve any problem in computing Maybe you should have phrased that differently, because it's obviously false.

aethertron 12y ago

How long would it take you to solve world hunger?

hitchhiker999 12y ago
42

charlesism 12y ago

I read five or six of those boxes and then just snorted in disgust. It looks like a great slide to show suckers if you're a productivity consultant. A sane chart would be less verbose, and more depressing. You can code your whole life, and still have struggles with pointers, threads, algorithms, new languages, etc. The majority of coders wouldn't even rank in the first column. I'm not a complete dummy but it took me a year before I could instinctively avoid "off-by-one" errors in loops, and almost ten years just to learn to name variables in a relatively self-documenting fashion.

circlefavshape 12y ago
Haha - the older I get the more I agree with the catchphrase about variable naming being one of the hard problems of programming. Get that right and so many other problems never even arise
- collyw 12y ago
  I would agree with you if you are talking about halfway decent programmers. I have seen some really poor code that naming conventions wouldn't save.
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hitchhiker999 12y ago
I remember I figured out 'interfaces' about 5 years after starting to deal with them. I'm not proud of that. I had no books, so... still. I also occasionally double-take on an 'off-by-one', and happily will spend 2 hours tracking down a rookie mistake I've made. Half the crap they ask you at an interview (thankfully haven't had to do one in 15 years) I wouldn't recognise, but would have probably done IRL about 1000 times. Cliche as it is - the better you get, the more you realise how little you know.
- charlesism 12y ago
  I paused before I wrote "instinctively avoid" actually, because I didn't want to imply that I never get caught out anymore. But I was thinking back to my early days - I vividly remember complaining to myself "why didn't they make the first element 1!" Hey, maybe I was right, I don't have the perspective anymore. Like all of you, I've internalized counting up from 0 to the point where it seems like the only sane thing to do.
  - hitchhiker999 12y ago
    Yes, I never thought of that way. I remember once feeling a moment of confusion IRL: "Please go to window 2 sir.." -> "*but there's only 2 .. ahh ..ok.." - just that ever so slight moment of brain fail. It was similar to the feeling of needing to weave left and right when you walk down the street after playing 20 hours of games that have a good sniper class.

coldtea 12y ago

How about the halting problem?

hitchhiker999 12y ago
I'm not going to Google it, I don't know what you're talking about. I assume it's some 'thing' that's impossible/hard to solve. I'm sure someone will solve it if it's possible. It won't be me.
- coldtea 12y ago
  Hmm, if the claim of being able to solve everything by yourself (just "given time") wasn't dubious enough in itself, not knowing the "halting problem" (something very well established, at the very core of computer science, quite famous even as a trivia, and with several implications), would surely cast some doubts on it... You might be perfectly able to solve most of the regular problems programmers encounter in everyday IT (e.g CRUD apps, a fault tolerant service, etc), but without CS fundamentals including detailed domain knowledge of several area solving a lot of problems (much less "most of them") is nigh impossible. A lot of problems (advanced DSP, GUI library design, advanced compiler/GC design, speech recognition, database engine, etc) require large teams and specialists to do properly. Except if by "enough time" you mean "enough time to read the literature, become an expert, and devote many lifetimes worth of man-months to each project". In which case, duh, we're talking about a god-like premise anyway...
  - hitchhiker999 12y ago
    Well I've been programming since I was 6 years old, and i'm 38 now. I am what I am, I have yet to encounter any issue I couldn't solve. I don't deal with those sort of things though, so no idea if I could or not. When I started there wasn't CS readily available, and I was a child - so I don't have your background. It would have saved me a lot of time if I did. I guess I'm from a different type of crew than you - we probably work very differently -> To each his/her own. Obviously my original statement wasn't to be taken so literally, it was meant to be glib and careless. I didn't make that clear I guess. My apologies. Edit: Out of respect I looked it up - I've thought about that before, didn't know it had a name. It's impossible to determine (quite obviously - though you could establish a rough probability). I will make an effort to remember the name for next time.

collyw 12y ago

I was thinking along the same lines. I can code to the standards described on the right, but a lot of the time it ends up being closer to the stuff on the left, as it is a quick script to update the database once, and won't be used again.

hitchhiker999 12y ago
My stuff is a combination of the left column, and other times hugely overly flexible / elegant stuff that ends up never getting fully utilised (and me thinking I should have stuck to the left column)