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You complained about new C-like languages (C-like in syntax) not being any better than C. I mentioned some ways that new C-like languages (C-like in syntax) are

by nardi 12y ago

You complained about new C-like languages (C-like in syntax) not being any better than C. I mentioned some ways that new C-like languages (C-like in syntax) are much better than C. Now you're complaining that other languages already had those features. I don't contest that. Doesn't change the fact that your first comment was misguided.

cscurmudgeon 12y ago
You misunderstood my first comment. I meant new C-like-in-syntax have nothing revolutionary semantically across the board. This is a double blow as each new C-like syntax is difficult to master (compared to Lispy languages) and contributes nothing semantically new.
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- nardi 12y ago
  > You misunderstood my first comment. I meant new C-like-in-syntax have nothing revolutionary semantically across the board. Are you saying that the new features in Swift/Rust/C#/etc. aren't revolutionary? Or that they're not "across the board"? Or that they're not semantic? Which part do you disagree with? > This is a double blow as each new C-like syntax ... contributes nothing semantically new. This is demonstrably false. Do you mean that you don't think the new semantics are revolutionary enough? Or "across the board" enough? Either way I have to disagree with you. Automated memory management is a semantic game changer, and applies nearly everywhere. Same goes for type inference, and optionals. ADTs are huge too. If your argument is that these are not important semantic improvements over C, then IMO you could not be more wrong.
  - cscurmudgeon 12y ago
    Why do you seem so bent on misunderstanding me? I am not talking about semantic improvements over just C! E.g, > Automated memory management is a semantic game changer That has been there in other languages for decades. By "across the board," I meant across all languages not just C-like languages.
    - nardi 12y ago
      Ah! That wasn't clear to me from your wording. I think I was especially confused because that means your argument seemingly boils down to "only the first language to have a feature is notable." (And I guess also that C-like languages are hard to learn?) But all languages stand on the soldiers of giants. I don't look down on Haskell simply because other languages had its features first.
      - nardi 12y ago
        Haha...*shoulders
      - cscurmudgeon 12y ago
        Agreed. I am not looking down on Swift. It seems like all the human capital could go into making existing languages more awesome.

by nardi 12y ago

cscurmudgeon 12y ago

You misunderstood my first comment. I meant new C-like-in-syntax have nothing revolutionary semantically across the board. This is a double blow as each new C-like syntax is difficult to master (compared to Lispy languages) and contributes nothing semantically new.

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nardi 12y ago
> You misunderstood my first comment. I meant new C-like-in-syntax have nothing revolutionary semantically across the board. Are you saying that the new features in Swift/Rust/C#/etc. aren't revolutionary? Or that they're not "across the board"? Or that they're not semantic? Which part do you disagree with? > This is a double blow as each new C-like syntax ... contributes nothing semantically new. This is demonstrably false. Do you mean that you don't think the new semantics are revolutionary enough? Or "across the board" enough? Either way I have to disagree with you. Automated memory management is a semantic game changer, and applies nearly everywhere. Same goes for type inference, and optionals. ADTs are huge too. If your argument is that these are not important semantic improvements over C, then IMO you could not be more wrong.
- cscurmudgeon 12y ago
  Why do you seem so bent on misunderstanding me? I am not talking about semantic improvements over just C! E.g, > Automated memory management is a semantic game changer That has been there in other languages for decades. By "across the board," I meant across all languages not just C-like languages.
  - nardi 12y ago
    Ah! That wasn't clear to me from your wording. I think I was especially confused because that means your argument seemingly boils down to "only the first language to have a feature is notable." (And I guess also that C-like languages are hard to learn?) But all languages stand on the soldiers of giants. I don't look down on Haskell simply because other languages had its features first.
    - nardi 12y ago
      Haha...*shoulders
    - cscurmudgeon 12y ago
      Agreed. I am not looking down on Swift. It seems like all the human capital could go into making existing languages more awesome.