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I see lately a lot of buzz about Bill Gates. Is he coming back as CEO? Is this marketing campaign? imho Bill Gates is not the person to follow when talking abo

by funkyy 12y ago

I see lately a lot of buzz about Bill Gates. Is he coming back as CEO? Is this marketing campaign? imho Bill Gates is not the person to follow when talking about business. He missed multiple big chances calling them a bubble like internet, mobile and much more. He get where he is out of stealing Windows from Apple, bullied software programmers and created extremely closed environment. He was person non grata decade ago, but recently people make him a legend... I wonder why the retreat of majority of web society...

jp555 12y ago
Why do you think your perception bias is more important than other's?
- funkyy 12y ago
  Why do you think my perception bias is more important than other's? Did I say that? Or did I stated my opinion? I think I just said imho - which means in my honest opinion and I gave some facts. I didnt say nothing else. And as of person non grata - check old posts, forums and "memes" from 10 years ago. All is there. People didnt really liked him.
kenjackson 12y ago
And there was a time Steve Jobs was considered a failure who was considered more show than substance. Times change. And time has a way for letting the important persist while forgetting the non-essential.
cpayne 12y ago
You are discounting a LOT of Bill Gate's history. Yes, he did miss the "internet", (as someone who worked with Microsoft in Australia) he literally turned the company around in 6 weeks. But if you still say Bill "missed" the internet, you are discounting Netscape vs IE wars. The internet in the 90's was a very different place to the internet today. But before that, Bill Gates got a lot right! Eg Excel vs Lotus, Word vs Word Perfect, Windows vs OS. The whole history of DOS. As others have said, its like saying Steve Jobs is a failure because he was sacked by the company he founded (Apple).
- drumdance 12y ago
  Don't forget X-box. They didn't miss the Internet, but they did misfire on music. They had an awfully good track record for a long time.
  - cpayne 12y ago
    To be fair, everyone (except Apple) misfired on music...
walterbell 12y ago
Gates Foundation is involved in many non-tech areas, e.g. education & health. https://www.google.com/search?q=gates+foundation+investment+policy https://www.google.com/search?q=gates+foundation+investment+... http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled-off-the-swift-common-core-revolution/2014/06/07/a830e32e-ec34-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled... --- "The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation didn’t just bankroll the development of what became known as the Common Core State Standards. With more than $200 million, the foundation also built political support across the country, persuading state governments to make systemic and costly changes. Bill Gates was de facto organizer, providing the money and structure for states to work together on common standards in a way that avoided the usual collision between states’ rights and national interests that had undercut every previous effort, dating from the Eisenhower administration." ---
- kissickas 12y ago
  I have never been a hater and respect the man, but knowing that he had a role in promoting Common Core actually lowers my opinion of him considerably. Have you seen what ridiculous methods they're requiring children to learn in math? No longer can teachers be reasonable by allowing you to solve a problem your own way, as long as you show your work and get the right answer. All this has done is remove parents from the teaching process. I only know about math from my younger cousins and friends who are teachers, but I'm sure some of the other subjects have their own issues.
  - walterbell 12y ago
    Doesn't sound good. What age groups are affected by Common Core? I wonder if this helps or hurts the homeschooling crowd.
    - nmrm 12y ago
      > Doesn't sound good. It's overblown hype. Kids should understand multiple algorithms for addition/subtraction/multiplication/division for the same reason that we teach CS undergrads multiple sorting algorithms. The point isn't to be able to pound out a sorting algorithm on the spot, but that learning about sorting algorithms provides a good "prototype" of thinking about algorithms more generally. Ditto for mathematical operators. The problem is that parents never really had a deep understanding of even basic arithmetic. It's a self-reproducing cycle, and the USA will continue to lag behind the rest of the developed world in mathematics if our primary standard is "how the past generation did things". >What age groups are affected by Common Core? K-12 > I wonder if this helps or hurts the homeschooling crowd. Ostensibly helps, because more teaching aids/material will be available, and knowing several algorithms to achieve the same thing helps you understand the concept in a much deeper way. Actually it doesn't matter, because home schoolers aren't obligated to follow CC standards, and are likely to treat anything CC-related as pure unadulterated evil without actually evaluating pedagogical evidence.

by funkyy 12y ago

jp555 12y ago

Why do you think your perception bias is more important than other's?

funkyy 12y ago
Why do you think my perception bias is more important than other's? Did I say that? Or did I stated my opinion? I think I just said imho - which means in my honest opinion and I gave some facts. I didnt say nothing else. And as of person non grata - check old posts, forums and "memes" from 10 years ago. All is there. People didnt really liked him.

kenjackson 12y ago

And there was a time Steve Jobs was considered a failure who was considered more show than substance. Times change. And time has a way for letting the important persist while forgetting the non-essential.

cpayne 12y ago

You are discounting a LOT of Bill Gate's history. Yes, he did miss the "internet", (as someone who worked with Microsoft in Australia) he literally turned the company around in 6 weeks. But if you still say Bill "missed" the internet, you are discounting Netscape vs IE wars. The internet in the 90's was a very different place to the internet today. But before that, Bill Gates got a lot right! Eg Excel vs Lotus, Word vs Word Perfect, Windows vs OS. The whole history of DOS. As others have said, its like saying Steve Jobs is a failure because he was sacked by the company he founded (Apple).

drumdance 12y ago
Don't forget X-box. They didn't miss the Internet, but they did misfire on music. They had an awfully good track record for a long time.
- cpayne 12y ago
  To be fair, everyone (except Apple) misfired on music...

walterbell 12y ago

Gates Foundation is involved in many non-tech areas, e.g. education & health. https://www.google.com/search?q=gates+foundation+investment+policy https://www.google.com/search?q=gates+foundation+investment+... http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled-off-the-swift-common-core-revolution/2014/06/07/a830e32e-ec34-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled... --- "The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation didn’t just bankroll the development of what became known as the Common Core State Standards. With more than $200 million, the foundation also built political support across the country, persuading state governments to make systemic and costly changes. Bill Gates was de facto organizer, providing the money and structure for states to work together on common standards in a way that avoided the usual collision between states’ rights and national interests that had undercut every previous effort, dating from the Eisenhower administration." ---

kissickas 12y ago
I have never been a hater and respect the man, but knowing that he had a role in promoting Common Core actually lowers my opinion of him considerably. Have you seen what ridiculous methods they're requiring children to learn in math? No longer can teachers be reasonable by allowing you to solve a problem your own way, as long as you show your work and get the right answer. All this has done is remove parents from the teaching process. I only know about math from my younger cousins and friends who are teachers, but I'm sure some of the other subjects have their own issues.
- walterbell 12y ago
  Doesn't sound good. What age groups are affected by Common Core? I wonder if this helps or hurts the homeschooling crowd.
  - nmrm 12y ago
    > Doesn't sound good. It's overblown hype. Kids should understand multiple algorithms for addition/subtraction/multiplication/division for the same reason that we teach CS undergrads multiple sorting algorithms. The point isn't to be able to pound out a sorting algorithm on the spot, but that learning about sorting algorithms provides a good "prototype" of thinking about algorithms more generally. Ditto for mathematical operators. The problem is that parents never really had a deep understanding of even basic arithmetic. It's a self-reproducing cycle, and the USA will continue to lag behind the rest of the developed world in mathematics if our primary standard is "how the past generation did things". >What age groups are affected by Common Core? K-12 > I wonder if this helps or hurts the homeschooling crowd. Ostensibly helps, because more teaching aids/material will be available, and knowing several algorithms to achieve the same thing helps you understand the concept in a much deeper way. Actually it doesn't matter, because home schoolers aren't obligated to follow CC standards, and are likely to treat anything CC-related as pure unadulterated evil without actually evaluating pedagogical evidence.