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So in your view people with valid criticisms should just shut up and be thankful? All the points in the blog posts are real problems. Pointing them out just me

by ayrx 12y ago

So in your view people with valid criticisms should just shut up and be thankful? All the points in the blog posts are real problems. Pointing them out just means that fixes can be made and software can be improved.

currysausage 12y ago
> So in your view people with valid criticisms should just shut up and be thankful? No, sober problem reports (preferably sent to bugs@openbsd.org or openbsd-tech) are obviously exactly what the preview release is meant for. As I wrote, I am surprised about the tone. Not of any particular comment or blogpost, but there's a tendency that I perceive lately.
- joshbaptiste 12y ago
  I didn't take the tone as condescending at all. It really was (as I read it) constructive criticism for the portability maintainers.
- anon1385 12y ago
  You are upset that people are using the wrong tone to make criticisms of OpenBSD? The same OpenBSD run by Theo de Raadt? You reap what you sow, as they say.
  - two_cents_4u 12y ago
    Where are your patches to improve OpenSSL? Put up or shut up, some may say...
    - commenttard 12y ago
      I know, some of the commentards here are so whiny!
oskdfjgfgg 12y ago
No, they aren't real problems. And he would know that if he were trying to be constructive, as he would have then posted it to tech. The fact that it is a snotty and incorrect blog post indicates that he is not trying to be constructive.
two_cents_4u 12y ago
Don't think anyone said that. Detailed, constructive feedback is always appreciated. On the other hand, when using free software from other people, it does seem a little rude to demand anything from them. Kind of like "gee, thanks for the free cake, but I prefer my icing on the side, waahhhh sob sob sob [ throws toys from the pram ]"
wbl 12y ago
They aren't: -Werror is doing exactly what it is supposed to, keeping a tacit assumption from subtly causing bugs. sysctl is necessary because there is no randomness system call, and in chroots /dev/random is not available.

by ayrx 12y ago

currysausage 12y ago

> So in your view people with valid criticisms should just shut up and be thankful? No, sober problem reports (preferably sent to bugs@openbsd.org or openbsd-tech) are obviously exactly what the preview release is meant for. As I wrote, I am surprised about the tone. Not of any particular comment or blogpost, but there's a tendency that I perceive lately.

joshbaptiste 12y ago
I didn't take the tone as condescending at all. It really was (as I read it) constructive criticism for the portability maintainers.
anon1385 12y ago
You are upset that people are using the wrong tone to make criticisms of OpenBSD? The same OpenBSD run by Theo de Raadt? You reap what you sow, as they say.
- two_cents_4u 12y ago
  Where are your patches to improve OpenSSL? Put up or shut up, some may say...
  - commenttard 12y ago
    I know, some of the commentards here are so whiny!

oskdfjgfgg 12y ago

No, they aren't real problems. And he would know that if he were trying to be constructive, as he would have then posted it to tech. The fact that it is a snotty and incorrect blog post indicates that he is not trying to be constructive.

two_cents_4u 12y ago

Don't think anyone said that. Detailed, constructive feedback is always appreciated. On the other hand, when using free software from other people, it does seem a little rude to demand anything from them. Kind of like "gee, thanks for the free cake, but I prefer my icing on the side, waahhhh sob sob sob [ throws toys from the pram ]"

wbl 12y ago

They aren't: -Werror is doing exactly what it is supposed to, keeping a tacit assumption from subtly causing bugs. sysctl is necessary because there is no randomness system call, and in chroots /dev/random is not available.