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>> ...should put the lie to the notion that network-transparent display is in any wise essential. Beautiful, pixel-perfect, tear-free GUIs are much more importa

>> ...should put the lie to the notion that network-transparent display is in any wise essential. Beautiful, pixel-perfect, tear-free GUIs are much more important. OSX comes pre-installed with an X server, which should put the lie to the notion that you can't have both. I don't know my way around this issue at an extremely low level, such as if I'd worked on the guts of an X server; however, I'm perfectly able to believe that video hardware has evolved capabilities that X11 just can't support properly. It also seems somewhat dubious that the subsystem that provides access to the video hardware needs to be coupled to a network protocol. It seems like, in principle, you could layer one atop the other and get the same -- or better -- result. Now, if GUI applications weren't forced to deal with X, then client support for X might start to erode as applications chose to go around it. But, how bad would that be? Is preventing it worth the opportunity cost?

bitwize 12y ago
OS X no longer comes preinstalled with an X server. Most Mac users are capable of getting along perfectly fine without it -- even developers. And anyway, X11 apps in Mac OS X are like weeaboos on the streets of Tokyo: no matter how earnestly they try to assimilate, they stand out like sore, awkward thumbs and obviously don't belong there. If you want to develop beautiful apps on the Mac platform you use Cocoa -- not X. Apple decided against basing its graphics stack on X11 for sound technical reasons.
- mtdewcmu 12y ago
  >> Apple decided against basing its graphics stack on X11 for sound technical reasons. and even still, X runs on OSX just fine, AFAIK (please correct me if I'm wrong -- anyone). The X server could stand to have been a little more seamlessly-integrated into OSX from a usability standpoint, IME. But from a purely technical perspective it seemed to be fine.
  - lucian1900 12y ago
    And it'll also run on Wayland, in a similar manner. No loss there.

bitwize 12y ago

OS X no longer comes preinstalled with an X server. Most Mac users are capable of getting along perfectly fine without it -- even developers. And anyway, X11 apps in Mac OS X are like weeaboos on the streets of Tokyo: no matter how earnestly they try to assimilate, they stand out like sore, awkward thumbs and obviously don't belong there. If you want to develop beautiful apps on the Mac platform you use Cocoa -- not X. Apple decided against basing its graphics stack on X11 for sound technical reasons.

mtdewcmu 12y ago
>> Apple decided against basing its graphics stack on X11 for sound technical reasons. and even still, X runs on OSX just fine, AFAIK (please correct me if I'm wrong -- anyone). The X server could stand to have been a little more seamlessly-integrated into OSX from a usability standpoint, IME. But from a purely technical perspective it seemed to be fine.
- lucian1900 12y ago
  And it'll also run on Wayland, in a similar manner. No loss there.