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It's unfortunate that so many are uncritically jumping to Max's defense. Scratch that--it's wrong, misogynistic, and reflects badly on the HN community. No one

by scarmig 12y ago

It's unfortunate that so many are uncritically jumping to Max's defense. Scratch that--it's wrong, misogynistic, and reflects badly on the HN community. No one knows what actually happened, except for the accused and the accuser, and even they have to contend with time dulling memory. If you're part of the group that's immediately discounting her accusation and claiming she made it up, I've got to ask: why? The only reasons I see mentioned here are "it was a long time ago, she would have pressed charges then if she were telling the truth" and "she refers to rape culture, she's clearly a social justice warrior trying to pick up some Twitter followers." But both are transparently bad reasons to attack her credibility. A more interesting question is how to dispel the fog of claims and counterclaims that makes identifying and prosecuting intimate violence so difficult. I can't imagine anything short of the panopticon that could do that, though.

tim333 12y ago
>A more interesting question is how to dispel the fog of claims and counterclaims that makes identifying and prosecuting intimate violence so difficult. While you can't really tell in he said-she said cases, rapists and similar are often creatures of habit and if you get unrelated victims with the same story that narrows things down. Plus there can be other evidence. Rolf Harris for example - that was a bit of a shocker.
xsmasher 12y ago
People are uncritically jumping to Max's defense because (1) he's a famous guy who created something they like and (2) as males, it's easier to put themselves in his shoes than hers. Neither of those reasons are particularly logical, but we're dealing with humans here, not machines.
chaostheory 12y ago
People are jumping to his defense because of one thing: She isn't providing any details. We don't even know what the nature of sexual assault happened, how it happened, and even when it happened. This isn't to say that a sexual assault didn't happen. However, how can anyone defend themselves from an accusation with no details? Her response doesn't even counter any of the details in Max's response. (i.e. Was kissing the sexual assault in question?)

by scarmig 12y ago

tim333 12y ago

>A more interesting question is how to dispel the fog of claims and counterclaims that makes identifying and prosecuting intimate violence so difficult. While you can't really tell in he said-she said cases, rapists and similar are often creatures of habit and if you get unrelated victims with the same story that narrows things down. Plus there can be other evidence. Rolf Harris for example - that was a bit of a shocker.

xsmasher 12y ago

People are uncritically jumping to Max's defense because (1) he's a famous guy who created something they like and (2) as males, it's easier to put themselves in his shoes than hers. Neither of those reasons are particularly logical, but we're dealing with humans here, not machines.

chaostheory 12y ago

People are jumping to his defense because of one thing: She isn't providing any details. We don't even know what the nature of sexual assault happened, how it happened, and even when it happened. This isn't to say that a sexual assault didn't happen. However, how can anyone defend themselves from an accusation with no details? Her response doesn't even counter any of the details in Max's response. (i.e. Was kissing the sexual assault in question?)