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I'm really intrigued by this model of internet infrastructure. Would you mind helping me understand the relevant difference between what you, Sandstorm[1], and

I'm really intrigued by this model of internet infrastructure. Would you mind helping me understand the relevant difference between what you, Sandstorm[1], and OpenPDS[2] are doing? [1] https://sandstorm.io/ https://sandstorm.io/ [2] http://openpds.media.mit.edu/ http://openpds.media.mit.edu/

walterbell 12y ago
OpenPDS = US gov-defined policy (NSTIC) for access to personal data Sandstorm = packaging & separation of web apps from policy-managed data Nymote & Mirage = UK systems research (OS, storage) on strong enforcement of claims similar but not limited to those being made in the above two projects
kentonv 12y ago
(Sandstorm author here.) Based on a brief skim of the Mirage docs, it looks like a really big difference between Mirage and Sandstorm is that Mirage wants apps to be written in OCaml based on a custom API whereas Sandstorm builds of Linux. Any server app that runs on Linux should be easy to port into Sandstorm, but it seems like a lot of things will need to be written from scratch on Mirage. In fact it appears Mirage intends to replace the kernel entirely. I can certainly see the appeal of dumping legacy baggage, but it's going to take quite a bit of work to reach the point of practicality.
- amirmc 12y ago
  You can look through the ACM article to get a good overview [1]. Yes, it's taken a lot of work to get to this point and there's more to go. In order to enable a fully decentralised system, we need to understand and tackle the basic problems that all developers face, which is more involved than just Mirage (as described in my comment above). All the code is also fully open source under a permissive license [2]. [1] http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2566628 http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2566628 [2] https://github.com/mirage/ https://github.com/mirage/

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I'm really intrigued by this model of internet infrastructure. Would you mind helping me understand the relevant difference between what you, Sandstorm[1], and

by tdaltonc 12y ago

walterbell 12y ago
OpenPDS = US gov-defined policy (NSTIC) for access to personal data Sandstorm = packaging & separation of web apps from policy-managed data Nymote & Mirage = UK systems research (OS, storage) on strong enforcement of claims similar but not limited to those being made in the above two projects
kentonv 12y ago
(Sandstorm author here.) Based on a brief skim of the Mirage docs, it looks like a really big difference between Mirage and Sandstorm is that Mirage wants apps to be written in OCaml based on a custom API whereas Sandstorm builds of Linux. Any server app that runs on Linux should be easy to port into Sandstorm, but it seems like a lot of things will need to be written from scratch on Mirage. In fact it appears Mirage intends to replace the kernel entirely. I can certainly see the appeal of dumping legacy baggage, but it's going to take quite a bit of work to reach the point of practicality.
- amirmc 12y ago
  You can look through the ACM article to get a good overview [1]. Yes, it's taken a lot of work to get to this point and there's more to go. In order to enable a fully decentralised system, we need to understand and tackle the basic problems that all developers face, which is more involved than just Mirage (as described in my comment above). All the code is also fully open source under a permissive license [2]. [1] http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2566628 http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2566628 [2] https://github.com/mirage/ https://github.com/mirage/