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> How well can this mesh network see you? How accurately can it geo-locate and track the movements of your phone, laptop, or any other wireless device by its MA

by ZoFreX 12y ago

> How well can this mesh network see you? How accurately can it geo-locate and track the movements of your phone, laptop, or any other wireless device by its MAC address? Can the network send that information to a database, allowing the SPD to reconstruct who was where at any given time, on any given day, without a warrant? Can the network see you now? I feel like Betteridge's law applies here. Yes, it could. Maybe it does. Do you have any evidence of these claims? Nope. > Note that he didn't say the mesh network couldn't be used for the surveillance functions we asked about, only that it wouldn't. Yes, that literally every enterprise access point in existence could be used for that type of surveillance, so of course he didn't say it couldn't be used for that. That would be lying. So what more assurance could we possibly have than "it wouldn't"?

msandford 12y ago
I think there's a big difference between a large enterprise's access points and those that cover a city. First off if your employer is spying on you, you at least have a chance to quit and get another job. Further that new job might not require that you move to avoid surveillance. Also many/most employers don't care enough about specifically where all their employees are to do such a thing. Finally a lot of the employers who do care enough have implemented ID badges. ID badges don't necessarily give you a happy feeling inside since they make it obvious that management doesn't trust everyone equally. But at least the tracking that they do is explicit: you know you're getting logged every time you badge through a door. Imagine the outcry if a city implemented a badge ID system that you needed just to travel anywhere. That literally conjures images of "Papers, please" and the like. The problem is that they have -- without any real, widespread public knowledge or approval -- implemented a small portion of a fairly draconian we-track-you-everywhere kind of system.

by ZoFreX 12y ago

msandford 12y ago

I think there's a big difference between a large enterprise's access points and those that cover a city. First off if your employer is spying on you, you at least have a chance to quit and get another job. Further that new job might not require that you move to avoid surveillance. Also many/most employers don't care enough about specifically where all their employees are to do such a thing. Finally a lot of the employers who do care enough have implemented ID badges. ID badges don't necessarily give you a happy feeling inside since they make it obvious that management doesn't trust everyone equally. But at least the tracking that they do is explicit: you know you're getting logged every time you badge through a door. Imagine the outcry if a city implemented a badge ID system that you needed just to travel anywhere. That literally conjures images of "Papers, please" and the like. The problem is that they have -- without any real, widespread public knowledge or approval -- implemented a small portion of a fairly draconian we-track-you-everywhere kind of system.