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> with the boom in startups lately, a degree is seldom necessary This is true. What do you do when the boom ends though? Companies went through layoffs in 20
by Ologn 12y ago
> with the boom in startups lately, a degree is seldom necessary
This is true. What do you do when the boom ends though? Companies went through layoffs in 2008, in 2000-2001, in the early 1990s etc. What will you do once you're married with kids, laid off and then any job opening available needs a college diploma. Yes, you're OK for the next year. Will you survive the next downturn though, and the one after that?
> In addition, during these 3 years I could optimize for my specific niche: iOS development
Specialization is good, but you never know what might happen. Whether or not it's likely, it's conceivable Android could kill off most iOS jobs in a few years. At that point a broad underpinning of CS theory and a diploma are helpful. Will you be doing iOS development 20 years from now? It's hard to say.
> kept up with individuals that have over 15 years of experience in the field with degrees
Some people get degrees without ever seeming to have learned much. It's not something that should affect your decision one way or the other. When time gets tough and Craigslist job postings start saying "BSCS required", an e-mail from you saying that you have "kept up with individuals that have over 15 years of experience in the field with degrees" is not going to mean much. They'll be knee-deep in resumes of people who have a BSCS. Yours will go right to the waste bin, in many cases.
> I'm forced to take things that don't interest me like psychology...half of the work that I put in won't even be relating to my field
Most of the pioneers of computer science did and do have an interest in human psychology - Marvin Minsky, Noam Chomsky, John McCarthy, Alan Turing and on and on. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion, two years into a CS program and without knowing what the psychology course was teaching, that it was irrelevant to computer science.
> Every adult that I talk to (all of whom have degrees) swear by them and say how they're such a great fallback but I'm having a hard time connecting the value, especially in the field of computer science.
When the economy goes south, it is better to have a degree than not to. Also, while theoretically someone can do a program of self study, I've never met anyone without a CS degree who understood pushdown automata, theory of computation and so forth. It is helpful to have an underlying intellectual framework. It is possible to be a code monkey who can put together for loops and if statements in PHP or Objective C and so forth, and make money doing it, but an intellectual framework allows people to do more. I see people self-studying practical things such as learning a programming language, but it's very rare for someone to spend months studying theory of computation, or representation of floating point numbers, or formal mathematical definitions of computational complexity, and so forth. So there are gaps in their knowledge. They can muddle along, but then one day they will have a critical race condition crashing their program. As they never studied mutual exclusion, they will only have a vague idea of what will do. Software in general is famous for mutual exclusion bugs, precisely because so many people who don't know what they're doing can jerry rig for loops and if loops together to get something going, but have no deeper understanding of theory, architecture and so forth.
- xiaoma 12y agoI think you woefully underestimate how many people are learning CS without being told to. I took Jeff Ullman's automata course on Coursera and so have many, many others. MIT's OCW classes have also been used by people doing entire CS degrees. Back when I was at my previous job I was doing to the same for another degree. I've heard these arguments before and to be honest, they remind me a lot of when I moved to Taiwan as a young adult. It seemed there were always people telling me how foreigners couldn't learn Chinese "properly" without doing college courses...right up until it started becoming common about five years ago. Now language learning is practically a sport amongst autodidacts. The credential from a degree is an edge, but in terms of actual education, schooling is hardly the optimal approach.
- jkarneges 12y ago> When time gets tough and Craigslist job postings start saying "BSCS required", an e-mail from you saying that you have "kept up with individuals that have over 15 years of experience in the field with degrees" is not going to mean much. They'll be knee-deep in resumes of people who have a BSCS. Yours will go right to the waste bin, in many cases. You're only as good as your last record. Who cares what anyone was doing 15 years ago? The degree you got when you were 22 is the same as the trophy won by the school's quarterback: an old nostalgic story at best. It's not who you are today, and I hope you've done far more interesting things since then. I only look at the past couple of positions a person had on their resume anyway. Even if HR does operate the way you say, I hope we can all agree it's pretty stupid.