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Isn't the Netflix-to-Verizon transit something that we already pay Verizon to maintain?

maxsilver 12y ago
Yes, but Verizon also wants Netflix to pay them for that same transit. That's what the whole blog article is about. Verizon trying to invent valid reasons for why they want Netflix to pay them.
- jpgvm 12y ago
  They are not inventing reasons. Netflix is serving the content, Netflix pays for it to move. Simple as that. The issue is Layer 3 is not buying enough transit from Verizon to match the disparity in the traffic it wants to send beyond what is covered by settlement free peering. If you look at the diagram on the Verizon post you can see the link is saturated in one direction and only at 30% utilization in the other direction. This is the DEFINITION of transit. The fact Netflix is even blaming Verizon for this is ridiculous.
  - Terretta 12y ago
    > If you look at the diagram on the Verizon post The diagram is wrong. The thing they colored red is not red. The wire is fine. The box inside Verizon's network has a network card in it that's oversubscribed. A slice of their box should be red. Btw, the definition I'm familiar with for "transit" is crossing a network backbone, it's neither serving, nor consuming. The traffic "transits" your network, on its way from somewhere to somewhere.
  - bobcostas55 12y ago
    L3 should not have to buy anything from Verizon. The only reason they're paying them at all is that the blackmail worked in the past. That is not how peering agreements work.
    - jpgvm 12y ago
      No, it is how peering agreements work. None of you have ever negotiated a peering agreement which is exactly why you don't understand that Verizon is in the right here, L3 is just providing cheap (and inferior) transit and Netflix is just bitching because it bought a Ford and expects a Ferrari.
  - dllthomas 12y ago
    Netflix could address the balance by streaming back video of people watching their movies. Would that mean Netflix should pay less? Balance of traffic is just a completely crazy metric.
  - deeviant 12y ago
    That's funny, I thought verizon's customers paid verizon nontrivial sums of money which happen to be many times of what netflix charges on a monthy basis to connect them to the internet, silly me.
  - Ma8ee 12y ago
    I have already paid Verizon to deliver the content. That Netflix doesn't request huge amounts of data from me is beside the point.
  - sandstrom 12y ago
    This article is readable and explains the basics of 'transit' (I think peering is the correct term in this case). http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...

Yes, but Verizon also wants Netflix to pay them for that same transit. That's what the whole blog article is about. Verizon trying to invent valid reasons for why they want Netflix to pay them.

jpgvm 12y ago
They are not inventing reasons. Netflix is serving the content, Netflix pays for it to move. Simple as that. The issue is Layer 3 is not buying enough transit from Verizon to match the disparity in the traffic it wants to send beyond what is covered by settlement free peering. If you look at the diagram on the Verizon post you can see the link is saturated in one direction and only at 30% utilization in the other direction. This is the DEFINITION of transit. The fact Netflix is even blaming Verizon for this is ridiculous.
- Terretta 12y ago
  > If you look at the diagram on the Verizon post The diagram is wrong. The thing they colored red is not red. The wire is fine. The box inside Verizon's network has a network card in it that's oversubscribed. A slice of their box should be red. Btw, the definition I'm familiar with for "transit" is crossing a network backbone, it's neither serving, nor consuming. The traffic "transits" your network, on its way from somewhere to somewhere.
- bobcostas55 12y ago
  L3 should not have to buy anything from Verizon. The only reason they're paying them at all is that the blackmail worked in the past. That is not how peering agreements work.
  - jpgvm 12y ago
    No, it is how peering agreements work. None of you have ever negotiated a peering agreement which is exactly why you don't understand that Verizon is in the right here, L3 is just providing cheap (and inferior) transit and Netflix is just bitching because it bought a Ford and expects a Ferrari.
- dllthomas 12y ago
  Netflix could address the balance by streaming back video of people watching their movies. Would that mean Netflix should pay less? Balance of traffic is just a completely crazy metric.
- deeviant 12y ago
  That's funny, I thought verizon's customers paid verizon nontrivial sums of money which happen to be many times of what netflix charges on a monthy basis to connect them to the internet, silly me.
- Ma8ee 12y ago
  I have already paid Verizon to deliver the content. That Netflix doesn't request huge amounts of data from me is beside the point.
- sandstrom 12y ago
  This article is readable and explains the basics of 'transit' (I think peering is the correct term in this case). http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...