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It's not about screwing your neighbour, it's about security, it's about having ensurance, it's about collecting taxes, it's about not being unfair to the rest o

by mahouse 12y ago

It's not about screwing your neighbour, it's about security, it's about having ensurance, it's about collecting taxes, it's about not being unfair to the rest of hotels that just follow the law. If you don't like the law that gives you no permission to walk around it.

RBerenguel 12y ago
I wonder why you are being downvoted by stating obvious facts related to the problem. As time passes I'm more tempted to install that Chrome plugin that turns every mention of "disrupt" into "bullshit."
snitko 12y ago
Why do you think your security should matter more to your neighbor than his ability to make money by renting out his property? He's got family to feed too. Why do you think collecting taxes is what everyone considers a just thing to do? Why do you think fairness is when hotels can charge visitors twice as much and provide twice as shittier service? Why do you think laws cannot be broken, if unjust? Many people smoke weed which is illegal in many countries. Do you consider those people to be criminals? Would you look them in the eye and tell them to go vote harder next time and then send them to jail?
- mahouse 12y ago
  > Why do you think your security should matter more to your neighbor than his ability to make money by renting out his property? He's got family to feed too. Not my own security, but the security of the person who pays for the room. > Why do you think collecting taxes is what everyone considers a just thing to do? I don't care about what people thinks is just or not. Taxes must be paid, because otherwise there would be no public services, such as healthcare or education. We rely on them. > Why do you think fairness is when hotels can charge visitors twice as much and provide twice as shittier service? You are free to open a hotel which follows the law but has lower prices. > Why do you think laws cannot be broken, if unjust? Many people smoke weed which is illegal in many countries. Do you consider those people to be criminals? Would you look them in the eye and tell them to go vote harder next time and then send them to jail? A very weird comparison you're pulling here. I won't even bother to respond to this...
  - snitko 12y ago
    > Not my own security, but the security of the person who pays for the room. Can a person decide for himself whether to stay with a government licenced business like a hotel or with someone who wants to rent him a room without any special permits from the government? Why are you deciding for that other person what is safe or not? >I don't care about what people thinks is just or not. Taxes must be paid, because otherwise there would be no public services, such as healthcare or education. We rely on them. And roads. You forgot, no one but government bureaucrats can build roads. So, you don't care for what other people think is just, but you're absolutely okay with forcing your perceived conception of justice upon them by saying "it's unfair to hotels"? What makes you think your sense of fairness is better? >You are free to open a hotel which follows the law but has lower prices This is impossible because the permits I'd have to obtain and rules I'd have to comply with would raise prices. >A very weird comparison you're pulling here. I won't even bother to respond to this... Not weird at all. You said you can't go breaking a law if you simply disagree with it. I gave you an example of a law that many people break and asked you whether you would send them to jail for breaking it. If you stand by your principle, you'd have to do it.
    - mahouse 12y ago
      > Can a person decide for himself whether to stay with a government licenced business like a hotel or with someone who wants to rent him a room without any special permits from the government? Why are you deciding for that other person what is safe or not? No. By that way of thinking, people should be free not to wear a seat belt or a helmet when driving, and that's wrong. (Now that we're talking about weird analogies...) > And roads. You forgot, no one but government bureaucrats can build roads. Not here at least. Private companies can build roads and make you pay a fee for using them. (There's always a free alternative, though.) > So, you don't care for what other people think is just, but you're absolutely okay with forcing your perceived conception of justice upon them by saying "it's unfair to hotels"? What makes you think your sense of fairness is better? I don't care about hotels, but this is not the jungle -- you need a set of permits and pay your taxes, and not having/paying them would be unfair competition, which is not allowed. > This is impossible because the permits I'd have to obtain and rules I'd have to comply with would raise prices. Then go to another country. We need money from taxes to maintain our welfare state. > Not weird at all. You said you can't go breaking a law if you simply disagree with it. I gave you an example of a law that many people break and asked you whether you would send them to jail for breaking it. If you stand by your principle, you'd have to do it. Who's going to go to jail for smoking pot? At least not here. You can't sell it though, because 1) you'd pay no taxes (it's not regulated) and 2) there are diseases related to it, and public healthcare must pay for them.

by mahouse 12y ago

RBerenguel 12y ago

I wonder why you are being downvoted by stating obvious facts related to the problem. As time passes I'm more tempted to install that Chrome plugin that turns every mention of "disrupt" into "bullshit."

snitko 12y ago

Why do you think your security should matter more to your neighbor than his ability to make money by renting out his property? He's got family to feed too. Why do you think collecting taxes is what everyone considers a just thing to do? Why do you think fairness is when hotels can charge visitors twice as much and provide twice as shittier service? Why do you think laws cannot be broken, if unjust? Many people smoke weed which is illegal in many countries. Do you consider those people to be criminals? Would you look them in the eye and tell them to go vote harder next time and then send them to jail?

mahouse 12y ago
> Why do you think your security should matter more to your neighbor than his ability to make money by renting out his property? He's got family to feed too. Not my own security, but the security of the person who pays for the room. > Why do you think collecting taxes is what everyone considers a just thing to do? I don't care about what people thinks is just or not. Taxes must be paid, because otherwise there would be no public services, such as healthcare or education. We rely on them. > Why do you think fairness is when hotels can charge visitors twice as much and provide twice as shittier service? You are free to open a hotel which follows the law but has lower prices. > Why do you think laws cannot be broken, if unjust? Many people smoke weed which is illegal in many countries. Do you consider those people to be criminals? Would you look them in the eye and tell them to go vote harder next time and then send them to jail? A very weird comparison you're pulling here. I won't even bother to respond to this...
- snitko 12y ago
  > Not my own security, but the security of the person who pays for the room. Can a person decide for himself whether to stay with a government licenced business like a hotel or with someone who wants to rent him a room without any special permits from the government? Why are you deciding for that other person what is safe or not? >I don't care about what people thinks is just or not. Taxes must be paid, because otherwise there would be no public services, such as healthcare or education. We rely on them. And roads. You forgot, no one but government bureaucrats can build roads. So, you don't care for what other people think is just, but you're absolutely okay with forcing your perceived conception of justice upon them by saying "it's unfair to hotels"? What makes you think your sense of fairness is better? >You are free to open a hotel which follows the law but has lower prices This is impossible because the permits I'd have to obtain and rules I'd have to comply with would raise prices. >A very weird comparison you're pulling here. I won't even bother to respond to this... Not weird at all. You said you can't go breaking a law if you simply disagree with it. I gave you an example of a law that many people break and asked you whether you would send them to jail for breaking it. If you stand by your principle, you'd have to do it.
  - mahouse 12y ago
    > Can a person decide for himself whether to stay with a government licenced business like a hotel or with someone who wants to rent him a room without any special permits from the government? Why are you deciding for that other person what is safe or not? No. By that way of thinking, people should be free not to wear a seat belt or a helmet when driving, and that's wrong. (Now that we're talking about weird analogies...) > And roads. You forgot, no one but government bureaucrats can build roads. Not here at least. Private companies can build roads and make you pay a fee for using them. (There's always a free alternative, though.) > So, you don't care for what other people think is just, but you're absolutely okay with forcing your perceived conception of justice upon them by saying "it's unfair to hotels"? What makes you think your sense of fairness is better? I don't care about hotels, but this is not the jungle -- you need a set of permits and pay your taxes, and not having/paying them would be unfair competition, which is not allowed. > This is impossible because the permits I'd have to obtain and rules I'd have to comply with would raise prices. Then go to another country. We need money from taxes to maintain our welfare state. > Not weird at all. You said you can't go breaking a law if you simply disagree with it. I gave you an example of a law that many people break and asked you whether you would send them to jail for breaking it. If you stand by your principle, you'd have to do it. Who's going to go to jail for smoking pot? At least not here. You can't sell it though, because 1) you'd pay no taxes (it's not regulated) and 2) there are diseases related to it, and public healthcare must pay for them.