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I think you mean, "Many casualties on the Palestinian side." Has ANYONE been killed in Israel? While Gaza is bombarded and dozens are dead, including children.

I think you mean, "Many casualties on the Palestinian side." Has ANYONE been killed in Israel? While Gaza is bombarded and dozens are dead, including children. Don't try to equate the oppressor with the oppressed.

gamegoblin 12y ago
Casualty != killed That being said, I suspect you are correct about a disparity in numbers on one side.
judah 12y ago
Nor is the oppressor the side with fewer casualties. Germany lost far more soldiers and civilians in the Second World War, yet that racist regime were clealy the oppressors, whose end came only by force. So it is with Hamas.
- rlucas 12y ago
  Check your historical figures. There's no possible definition X of the major Allies (hint: USSR) for which you can support your claim that "Germany lost far more soldiers [or] civilians" than X. You're smoking crack by like an order of magnitude.
- justin66 12y ago
  > Germany lost far more soldiers and civilians in the Second World War Not more than the Russians...
- stronglikedan 12y ago
  You spelled "Israel" wrong.
- lostlogin 12y ago
  It's annoying when people we don't like win elections isn't it? EDIT: Which countries weren't racist in the second world war? All the allied countries I know anything about certainly were.
  - EGreg 12y ago
    It's more than annoying when said people proceed to summarily exterminate and/or expel all members of the democratically elected government belonging to the rival party, and bring about a quasi-religious violent regime which kills its own people for ideological ends. Also, it is not ok to use your own civilian population as human shields, raise a generation of kids to become violent martyrs for your cause, and sacrifice their lives for your ideological war, which include things like the "elimination of a Jewish state in Israel". Hamas killing Palestinians living in Gaza who are having a wedding, which wasn't Islamic enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEud-cEjwQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEud-cEjwQU Indoctrinating children to hate and "kill Jews" to "liberate Palestine": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers By the way, in Hamas' view, "liberate Palestine" means to rid it of a Jewish state completely. If they took all that money to actually improve the education and quality of life of their citizens (which is what they are, essentially), they could be a legitimate government of a legitimate state. They already effectively have a state in the Gaza Strip. But their leaders would prefer to fight their ideological war and sacrifice their own people for it. As often is the case, it's the leaders of the people with their ideological ideas who are most responsible for the deaths of their own population.
    - justin66 12y ago
      > They already effectively have a state in the Gaza Strip. I don't understand why anyone would say that. The things that differentiate Gaza and the west bank from a sovereign state are precisely the basis for the horrible conflict happening there.
      - EGreg 12y ago
        Hardly. The goal of Hamas "armed resistance" as they call it is a united Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital, no land swaps etc. This is an ideological position with zero compromise. Hamas' understanding of "occupation" is exactly that Jews have a state in the area. Gaza could become a sovereign Palestinian state, it doesnt need a military to do so. No one is occupying it or attacking it, and it receives tons of American money. The problem is that their leaders are ideological crackpots, and many are corrupt on top of that, and they havent built up their economy, infrastructure, education etc in 7-8 years they controlled it. Instead they spent all their efforts on violent methods to advance an ideological agenda, and used their own people as human shields and used "state" funded TV and social centers to teach their kids to hate.
tzs 12y ago
There would be less people killed on the Palestinian side if Hamas' strategy didn't include purposefully putting civilians in harms way, such as by using them (including children) for human shields when Israel gives advance notice that a particular building is going to be bombed [1] [2]. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-and-leaflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-... [2] http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/world/meast/mideast-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/world/meast/mideast-tensions/i...
- esrauch 12y ago
  And yet they still bombed the building?
- kungfooguru 12y ago
  Yea, wtf, why would people live with their families? And why don't they have fancy bomb shelters like Israel! The leaflets are practically taunts. Where are the people of Gaza to go? How are they to get out? http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/numbers-people-there.html http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/numbers-people-there.html
  - Forgotmypw12 12y ago
    They don't have bomb shelters because their government sees utility in their deaths.
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- temp_4_politics 12y ago
  There would be less people killed if Israel's strategy didn't include creating settlements in Palestinian territory. There's lots that can be done to reduce casualties.
  - Forgotmypw12 12y ago
hyperliner 12y ago
Three Israeli teenagers were murdered.
- kungfooguru 12y ago
  A separate incident that was also not in Gaza and not related to Hamas. Somehow no one cares about those facts and Israel can use it for further aggression against a people, most likely hoping to spark further retaliation so they can escalate further.
  - maratd 12y ago
    > not related to Hamas Huh? Take your propaganda elsewhere.
    - kungfooguru 12y ago
      Um, the suspects Israel arrested are not members of Hamas but a group that has consistently clashed with Hamas... This isn't some hidden detail, haha.
      - maratd 12y ago
        Stop pretending we're talking about something else. The three Israeli kids were killed by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group. Read the parent.

gamegoblin 12y ago

Casualty != killed That being said, I suspect you are correct about a disparity in numbers on one side.

judah 12y ago

Nor is the oppressor the side with fewer casualties. Germany lost far more soldiers and civilians in the Second World War, yet that racist regime were clealy the oppressors, whose end came only by force. So it is with Hamas.

rlucas 12y ago
Check your historical figures. There's no possible definition X of the major Allies (hint: USSR) for which you can support your claim that "Germany lost far more soldiers [or] civilians" than X. You're smoking crack by like an order of magnitude.
justin66 12y ago
> Germany lost far more soldiers and civilians in the Second World War Not more than the Russians...
stronglikedan 12y ago
You spelled "Israel" wrong.
lostlogin 12y ago
It's annoying when people we don't like win elections isn't it? EDIT: Which countries weren't racist in the second world war? All the allied countries I know anything about certainly were.
- EGreg 12y ago
  It's more than annoying when said people proceed to summarily exterminate and/or expel all members of the democratically elected government belonging to the rival party, and bring about a quasi-religious violent regime which kills its own people for ideological ends. Also, it is not ok to use your own civilian population as human shields, raise a generation of kids to become violent martyrs for your cause, and sacrifice their lives for your ideological war, which include things like the "elimination of a Jewish state in Israel". Hamas killing Palestinians living in Gaza who are having a wedding, which wasn't Islamic enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEud-cEjwQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEud-cEjwQU Indoctrinating children to hate and "kill Jews" to "liberate Palestine": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers By the way, in Hamas' view, "liberate Palestine" means to rid it of a Jewish state completely. If they took all that money to actually improve the education and quality of life of their citizens (which is what they are, essentially), they could be a legitimate government of a legitimate state. They already effectively have a state in the Gaza Strip. But their leaders would prefer to fight their ideological war and sacrifice their own people for it. As often is the case, it's the leaders of the people with their ideological ideas who are most responsible for the deaths of their own population.
  - justin66 12y ago
    > They already effectively have a state in the Gaza Strip. I don't understand why anyone would say that. The things that differentiate Gaza and the west bank from a sovereign state are precisely the basis for the horrible conflict happening there.
    - EGreg 12y ago
      Hardly. The goal of Hamas "armed resistance" as they call it is a united Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital, no land swaps etc. This is an ideological position with zero compromise. Hamas' understanding of "occupation" is exactly that Jews have a state in the area. Gaza could become a sovereign Palestinian state, it doesnt need a military to do so. No one is occupying it or attacking it, and it receives tons of American money. The problem is that their leaders are ideological crackpots, and many are corrupt on top of that, and they havent built up their economy, infrastructure, education etc in 7-8 years they controlled it. Instead they spent all their efforts on violent methods to advance an ideological agenda, and used their own people as human shields and used "state" funded TV and social centers to teach their kids to hate.

tzs 12y ago

There would be less people killed on the Palestinian side if Hamas' strategy didn't include purposefully putting civilians in harms way, such as by using them (including children) for human shields when Israel gives advance notice that a particular building is going to be bombed [1] [2]. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-and-leaflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-... [2] http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/world/meast/mideast-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/world/meast/mideast-tensions/i...

esrauch 12y ago
And yet they still bombed the building?
kungfooguru 12y ago
Yea, wtf, why would people live with their families? And why don't they have fancy bomb shelters like Israel! The leaflets are practically taunts. Where are the people of Gaza to go? How are they to get out? http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/numbers-people-there.html http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/numbers-people-there.html
- Forgotmypw12 12y ago
  They don't have bomb shelters because their government sees utility in their deaths.
- deleted 12y ago
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temp_4_politics 12y ago
There would be less people killed if Israel's strategy didn't include creating settlements in Palestinian territory. There's lots that can be done to reduce casualties.
- Forgotmypw12 12y ago

hyperliner 12y ago

Three Israeli teenagers were murdered.

kungfooguru 12y ago
A separate incident that was also not in Gaza and not related to Hamas. Somehow no one cares about those facts and Israel can use it for further aggression against a people, most likely hoping to spark further retaliation so they can escalate further.
- maratd 12y ago
  > not related to Hamas Huh? Take your propaganda elsewhere.
  - kungfooguru 12y ago
    Um, the suspects Israel arrested are not members of Hamas but a group that has consistently clashed with Hamas... This isn't some hidden detail, haha.
    - maratd 12y ago
      Stop pretending we're talking about something else. The three Israeli kids were killed by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group. Read the parent.