>GNOME 3 was and is so bad that it spawned two rather significant and ongoing salvage attempts in MATE and Cinnamon ... We just didn't see anything close to tha

>GNOME 3 was and is so bad that it spawned two rather significant and ongoing salvage attempts in MATE and Cinnamon ... We just didn't see anything close to that with KDE 4. Trinity is a fork of KDE3, that was highly-publicized at the time and still sees some ongoing development.