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I think the real problem is this google has the half baked crowd-sourcing. Where you actually have a closed system and then let some people crowd source on top

by Vik1ng 12y ago

I think the real problem is this google has the half baked crowd-sourcing. Where you actually have a closed system and then let some people crowd source on top of it and have different ranks and people approving. It's the same reason Wikipedia is losing editors, because people don't want to wait for some admin to approve it. In OpenStreetMap as a community project which is know as such people are much more likely to report things (on the German website there is even a big button for that). It takes longer for a edit to be approved in google map maker than people get easy stuff fixed in OpenStreetMap in my area. If I check my notes RSS feed after 1 week then most of the errors are already fixed. Edit: +1 Cthulhu_ Google=private company

spot 12y ago
OSM is still so irrelevant that the spammers and scammers have not targeted it yet. Once they do, it will have the same problems Google does, but worse because they don't have the resources to fight back. It is much easier to fix mistakes than it is to fight an active adversary.
- xorcist 12y ago
  Your prediction fails to account for the fact that Wikipedia can manage the problem, and they are probably the most important information source there is while still being by far the easiest to edit. What makes you think it is impossible for OSM to do it? (Also, a bit dishonest to call OSM irrelevant when it is the canonical data source for a number of famous application, including Apple, even if it's not directly applicable to the situation here.)
  - pdonis 12y ago
    > Your prediction fails to account for the fact that Wikipedia can manage the problem Except that Wikipedia can't manage the problem. See cratermoon's post along similar lines upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7999720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7999720
- Vik1ng 12y ago
  but worse because they don't have the resources to fight back. Germany has more than 500 active mappers every day. http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries Google does not come anywhere close to this. Not to mention that only a few of them can actually approve and fix things. And because google is closed it does not have any kind of Quality Assurance tools. In OSM you could easily check if the last edit changed the opening hours and if the new one is strange (like not open Saturday evening)

by Vik1ng 12y ago

spot 12y ago

OSM is still so irrelevant that the spammers and scammers have not targeted it yet. Once they do, it will have the same problems Google does, but worse because they don't have the resources to fight back. It is much easier to fix mistakes than it is to fight an active adversary.

xorcist 12y ago
Your prediction fails to account for the fact that Wikipedia can manage the problem, and they are probably the most important information source there is while still being by far the easiest to edit. What makes you think it is impossible for OSM to do it? (Also, a bit dishonest to call OSM irrelevant when it is the canonical data source for a number of famous application, including Apple, even if it's not directly applicable to the situation here.)
- pdonis 12y ago
  > Your prediction fails to account for the fact that Wikipedia can manage the problem Except that Wikipedia can't manage the problem. See cratermoon's post along similar lines upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7999720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7999720
Vik1ng 12y ago
but worse because they don't have the resources to fight back. Germany has more than 500 active mappers every day. http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries Google does not come anywhere close to this. Not to mention that only a few of them can actually approve and fix things. And because google is closed it does not have any kind of Quality Assurance tools. In OSM you could easily check if the last edit changed the opening hours and if the new one is strange (like not open Saturday evening)