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The trip to federal prison from court to your new bed (2004)
- kashkhan 12y agoIt's awful that such a medieval correction system exists in any civilization.
- spacemanmatt 12y ago-correction
- vacri 12y agoWhile it is awful, it's weird to see a system that uses shotguns, cargo aircraft, and a centralised distribution network (spanning a continent) described as 'medieval'.
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- ufmace 12y agoI've been watching Orange is the new Black lately, and the Con-Air scene was pretty similar to their description. Sounds like it's true that you really don't want to use the bathroom there, doubly so if you're a girl. And that they really don't want to take your cuffs off for any reason. And the guards all act like everybody there is planning to pull a Con-Air movie style hijacking, and so will not tell you anything or talk in any way that isn't strictly required.
- dobbsbob 12y agoOne punishment BOP uses is Con-air for weeks at a time or "diesel therapy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_therapy CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou was threatened with permanent con-air for complaining to the press about prison conditions. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1018653-john-kiriakou-letter-from-loretto-february-10-2014.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1018653-john-kiriako... Living shackled on a plane or bus transferred from prison to prison for years sounds like a nightmare
- darksim905 12y agoThat sounds very brutal in it's own right. Does it actually accomplish anything other than wasting our tax paying money, though?
- kefka 12y agoIt's a great way to have unaccountable torture. Is that what you are asking?
- ufmace 12y agoGoing by the letter he linked, it sounds like it would make it much harder for the prisoner to contact and interact with lawyers, family, etc. You normally can't sent or receive letters or phone calls while in transit, since it would be a pain to organize and transit is normally short. If they could keep somebody perpetually in transit, though, he would tend to be isolated. On the other hand, this sounds like a higher-profile prisoner with access to good legal representation. I would think that, if they actually tried to do that, the prisoners' lawyer would figure it out eventually, and a court would most likely take a dim view of such a practice. I'm not sure if they've ever actually done that, though. It sounds like they might have kept some problem inmates tied up in pointless transit maybe for a week or three. Doing it perpetually sounded more like speculation than something they've actually done, or could realistically pull off.
- spacemanmatt 12y agoYou greatly overestimate the care one judge can muster about the prison system. They are complicit at best, and we have already seen a couple judges convicted for sending innocent 'customers' to private prisons in which they held stock on from which they received kickbacks.
- tptacek 12y agoThere was the famous PA "kids-for-cash" scheme. What's the other case?
- archildress 12y agoReally intrigued by the community this links to. I guess there is a bulletin board for everything.
- pigDisgusting 12y ago...or perhaps it's an astro-turfed propaganda campaign inspired by "scared straight" programs.</tinfoil-hat> But still, don't take everything posted on the internet at face value.
- chatmasta 12y agoThat is seriously medieval. I cannot believe that people in 21st century western civilization are subjected to this sort of torture, by the hands of private contractors no less. The emphasis on retribution over rehabilitation is a serious problem in modern society. Unfortunately the victims of an often over zealous justice system are granted a severely muted and underrepresented voice. The people most motivated to change the system are unable to do so. I'm glad that a forum like Prisontalk exists to give them some semblance of a voice. It seems like if this system is going to change, somebody else is going to have to step up to the plate and take charge of changing it. Hopefully the internet will help to disseminate stories like this to the public and motivate people to push for change in what is a seriously backwards prison system. America should be ashamed. Edit: I post a lot of unpopular opinions... I sure didn't expect this one to get downvoted!
- skwirl 12y agoDid I miss a paragraph in there that involved torture? What specifically are you referring to?
- zorpner 12y agoTry to define torture in an abstract way that includes the things you think of as torture (whips, the rack, waterboarding, cramped isolation, et cetera) and excludes this. You won't find it easy.
- skwirl 12y agoWhat is "this?"
- barce 12y agoThe part where they don't help you use the bathroom and you defecate on yourself in a con-air. This is both cruel and unusual, and a psychological pain.
- skwirl 12y ago
- judk 12y agoIs there a website where I can pop in a URL and get the page rendered with word wrapping and line length less than 1000 pixels? Readability as a service?
- ceejayoz 12y agoOption 1. https://www.readability.com/bookmarklets https://www.readability.com/bookmarklets Option 2. Resize your browser window.
- zaroth 12y agoApparently having a page like this in your browser history is great for prosecutors looking to establish mens rea (criminal intent). [1] - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/web_activity_us.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/web_activity_...
- ianbicking 12y agoThey referred to some prisoners being "blackboxed"... any definition of that?
- paulirish 12y agoI believe hands are cuffed and retained inside a black (plastic?) box so you really can't do anything with them.
- ben1040 12y agoIt means their handcuffs are fitted with one of these covers: http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/cs5thmoblbox.html http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/cs5thmoblbox.html It covers the key holes to prevent tampering attempts, and it looks like it'd also increase the rigidity of the handcuffs (versus just the chain), further restricting movement.
- seesomesense 12y agoThey kill, rape, torture children and women and then complain that they are transported in high security conditions ? Wow.
- tsaoutourpants 12y agoNot everyone in federal prison is a rapist/killer. Half are there on drug offenses.
- coldtea 12y agoYou might end up in a prison at any time. It could be just from a misunderstanding and wrongful targeting -- like it has happening to tons of people, including "respectable white people". Or you could have a party and one of your friends has some marijuana in his pocket and you all end up in jail. Or you could fall behind your taxes or whatever. The idea that all prisoners are killers and rapists shows one has absolutely no idea about prisons and probably society in general.
- spiritplumber 12y agoPretty much this... and it's been a common problem through the ages; even That Jesus treats being in prison as something that can happen to people, rather than something they deserve. In my case, any serious attempt to jail me unjustly would eventually bankrupt the state just from having to keep patching holes in jail, but even so, we need something better than "oh, you have the <criminal> tag in your life? Consider all good things over".
- mickeyr 12y agoRape & Murder are generally state crimes. The majority of federal inmates are there on drug charges.