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Years ago, I called BS on that too, but the ALA convention of "by hand" means "we're not writing flat files full of markup anymore." And we aren't. We use tem

Years ago, I called BS on that too, but the ALA convention of "by hand" means "we're not writing flat files full of markup anymore." And we aren't. We use templates now.

jacobolus 17y ago
The implication in the article was that people were using pre-written code that didn't include 'HTML 5 features', so now they'll have to write the code 'by hand' instead. So at least in this case, the usage is different from what you're calling 'ALA convention'.
- electronslave 17y ago
  Er, I'm seeing that phrase the way I described it, and as it was described to me. "If you are like most designers, you probably don’t write all your markup by hand. But until the tools you use catch up to the new elements in (X)HTML 5, you will be doing some markup by hand while you learn." Mind you, that speaks to templates like WordPress layouts, Django plugins, Rails gems that generate their own markup, Drupal modules. The list goes on. What did you have in mind?
  - jacobolus 17y ago
    You said: > the ALA convention of "by hand" means "we're not writing flat files full of markup anymore." And we aren't. We use templates now. This implies that "by hand" means writing templates by hand instead of writing flat files by hand. I'm merely pointing out that the article uses the term to mean something like "most designers aren't writing much html at all", instead using "tools", which "haven't caught up". That's quite different from writing templates.
  - callmeed 17y ago
    To me, he's talking about wysiwyg tools like Dreamweaver.
    - electronslave 17y ago
      Okay, that's fine. And yes, he might be. My take on it was the following narrative: "hey, ALA reader #21223, there's no Drupal modules that use HTML5 features." (hand on cheek) "oh crap, I overcommitted!" "you certainly did. that'll teach you to read oreilly's blog. wait until that module gets written, or write your own." (reinserting finger into nose) "phew, now I can return to complacency."

Years ago, I called BS on that too, but the ALA convention of "by hand" means "we're not writing flat files full of markup anymore." And we aren't. We use templates now.

jacobolus 17y ago

The implication in the article was that people were using pre-written code that didn't include 'HTML 5 features', so now they'll have to write the code 'by hand' instead. So at least in this case, the usage is different from what you're calling 'ALA convention'.

electronslave 17y ago
Er, I'm seeing that phrase the way I described it, and as it was described to me. "If you are like most designers, you probably don’t write all your markup by hand. But until the tools you use catch up to the new elements in (X)HTML 5, you will be doing some markup by hand while you learn." Mind you, that speaks to templates like WordPress layouts, Django plugins, Rails gems that generate their own markup, Drupal modules. The list goes on. What did you have in mind?
- jacobolus 17y ago
  You said: > the ALA convention of "by hand" means "we're not writing flat files full of markup anymore." And we aren't. We use templates now. This implies that "by hand" means writing templates by hand instead of writing flat files by hand. I'm merely pointing out that the article uses the term to mean something like "most designers aren't writing much html at all", instead using "tools", which "haven't caught up". That's quite different from writing templates.
- callmeed 17y ago
  To me, he's talking about wysiwyg tools like Dreamweaver.
  - electronslave 17y ago
    Okay, that's fine. And yes, he might be. My take on it was the following narrative: "hey, ALA reader #21223, there's no Drupal modules that use HTML5 features." (hand on cheek) "oh crap, I overcommitted!" "you certainly did. that'll teach you to read oreilly's blog. wait until that module gets written, or write your own." (reinserting finger into nose) "phew, now I can return to complacency."