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To the point on upvote collusion, I think the mods really need to rethink things a bit. I utilize HN on a daily basis and check it periodically throughout the d

To the point on upvote collusion, I think the mods really need to rethink things a bit. I utilize HN on a daily basis and check it periodically throughout the day. If I see a post of a friend's site, I upvote it. The notion of being flagged because friends or acquaintances familiar with your startup being happy for you is by no means a reason to degrade a post. What the OPs are really saying is they'll let it slide for their friends and network, but not for those they're unfamiliar with. This is outright unacceptable behavior and I think methods of accountability should be added. If a startup didn't have friends, fans, and followers, than what do they have guys? Nothing. And I'll be damned if I don't work for an awesome startup doing awesome things that earned it's spot on the front page. It's a shame.

dragonwriter 12y ago
> What the OPs are really saying is they'll let it slide for their friends and network, but not others. OP? Usually, when I've seen that in a forum, it means "Original Poster", the submitter of the post to which the comment thread is attached -- but clearly that's not what you mean here. Do you mean the mods? And, no, the voting ring detector is, from everything that has been said about it, algorithmic, so its just as wrong for anyones "friends and network" as for anyone else's. > This is outright unacceptable behavior and I think methods of accountability should be added. I'm sure if you ask nicely, YC will refund 100% of the HN membership fee you paid if you are unsatisfied. > If a startup didn't have friends, fans, and followers, than what do they have guys? The idea of HN is that things should be promoted in visibility based on the interest to the community at large based on the content, not based on collusion of groups to promote them. Hence the voting ring detector. There's plenty of venues for promotion that don't work that way, but I don't see why anyone (other than YC) is entitled to demand that HN change.
- jqueryin 12y ago
  Correct on mods, I was ranting too fast. I'll maintain my rights to rant on occasion if something smells fishy. The post had legitimate interest, a comment chain, and votes in both directions. The algorithm seems to be at fault but I won't know for sure without some feedback. I sent an email out, so I guess we'll wait and see.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> What the OPs are really saying is they'll let it slide for their friends and network, but not others. OP? Usually, when I've seen that in a forum, it means "Original Poster", the submitter of the post to which the comment thread is attached -- but clearly that's not what you mean here. Do you mean the mods? And, no, the voting ring detector is, from everything that has been said about it, algorithmic, so its just as wrong for anyones "friends and network" as for anyone else's. > This is outright unacceptable behavior and I think methods of accountability should be added. I'm sure if you ask nicely, YC will refund 100% of the HN membership fee you paid if you are unsatisfied. > If a startup didn't have friends, fans, and followers, than what do they have guys? The idea of HN is that things should be promoted in visibility based on the interest to the community at large based on the content, not based on collusion of groups to promote them. Hence the voting ring detector. There's plenty of venues for promotion that don't work that way, but I don't see why anyone (other than YC) is entitled to demand that HN change.

jqueryin 12y ago
Correct on mods, I was ranting too fast. I'll maintain my rights to rant on occasion if something smells fishy. The post had legitimate interest, a comment chain, and votes in both directions. The algorithm seems to be at fault but I won't know for sure without some feedback. I sent an email out, so I guess we'll wait and see.