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Related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7983124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7983124 Additionally, /. has a pretty good summary of what this is

Related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7983124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7983124 Additionally, /. has a pretty good summary of what this is [1]. -- "If you search the web for communications security information, or read online tech publications like Linux Journal or BoingBoing, you might be a terrorist. The German publication Das Erste disclosed a crumb of alleged XKeyScore configuration, with the vague suggestion of more source code to come, showing that Tor directory servers and their users, and as usual the interested and their neighbor's dogs due to overcapture, were flagged for closer monitoring. Linux Journal, whose domain is part of a listed selector, has a few choice words on their coveted award. Would it be irresponsible not to speculate further?" [1] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/03/1846215/nsa-considers-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-linux-users-extremists http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/03/1846215/nsa-considers...

tlrobinson 12y ago
Linux Journal seems out of place. They must have had an article about Tails?
- aw3c2 12y ago
  http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extrem... I saw it on the HN homepage some moments ago, I guess the mods hid it for some reason?
  - cyberbully 12y ago
    More than one link to the Linux Journal article with comment thread has been locked and hidden, and a previous link to the link we're commenting on now. I'm sure this one will be dead soon too. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7984456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7984456. hckrnews.com shows dead threads in gray. Weird, no?
- MatthiasP 12y ago
  Yes they did[1], and a link to that article was published on an 'extremist' forum, triggering the inclusion of the domain in the filter. [1]http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-distro-tales-you-can-never-be-too-paranoid http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-distro-tales-you-c...
  - tlrobinson 12y ago
    Where does it say that's how they ended up in the filter?
  - cyberbully 12y ago
    What is an "extremist forum" exactly? Ars Technica?? That link was in the Ars Technica article.
  - acqq 12y ago
    So if the link to the NYT article is published on the extremist forum, and you job is to search for the extremists, you'd search for the NYT readers instead of the readers of the forum? Your explanation has no sense, sorry.
frandroid 12y ago
Knowledge is power, and the NSA wants to track those with power.
- bostik 12y ago
  That is also implied in the boingboing.net article[1]. There is one paragraph in particular which should ring a familiar bell... One expert suggested that the NSA's intention here was to separate the sheep from the goats -- to split the entire population of the Internet into "people who have the technical know-how to be private" and "people who don't" and then capture all the communications from the first group. And why would that be familiar? First they came for the terrorists, but I said nothing for I was not a terrorist... [1]: http://boingboing.net/2014/07/03/if-you-read-boing-boing-the-n.html http://boingboing.net/2014/07/03/if-you-read-boing-boing-the...
  - gcb0 12y ago
    which would be a good exercise if done in a controlled environment to then catch bad guys when they get that clever (hint, they aren't) the problem is that some incopetent person paid with our money choose to list the Linux journal as a extremist publication just so he didn'thave to bother creating the system for his training. while also gaining information illegally to further help him be a lazy mofo. all while being sanctioned by even more incopetent (or ill intentioned people) above him. anyway, off to scare some kids from my lawn now...
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chrismsnz 12y ago
Considering that XKeyscore was designed to slurp all the things, all the time, this code actually just looks like a very small, tor-specific subset of simple tagging rules. One would assume that those tags can be used to later analyse the data to pluck out things like "find users from syria who visited tor/tails websites and is related to xyz".

tlrobinson 12y ago

Linux Journal seems out of place. They must have had an article about Tails?

aw3c2 12y ago
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extrem... I saw it on the HN homepage some moments ago, I guess the mods hid it for some reason?
- cyberbully 12y ago
  More than one link to the Linux Journal article with comment thread has been locked and hidden, and a previous link to the link we're commenting on now. I'm sure this one will be dead soon too. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7984456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7984456. hckrnews.com shows dead threads in gray. Weird, no?
MatthiasP 12y ago
Yes they did[1], and a link to that article was published on an 'extremist' forum, triggering the inclusion of the domain in the filter. [1]http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-distro-tales-you-can-never-be-too-paranoid http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-distro-tales-you-c...
- tlrobinson 12y ago
  Where does it say that's how they ended up in the filter?
- cyberbully 12y ago
  What is an "extremist forum" exactly? Ars Technica?? That link was in the Ars Technica article.
- acqq 12y ago
  So if the link to the NYT article is published on the extremist forum, and you job is to search for the extremists, you'd search for the NYT readers instead of the readers of the forum? Your explanation has no sense, sorry.

frandroid 12y ago

Knowledge is power, and the NSA wants to track those with power.

bostik 12y ago
That is also implied in the boingboing.net article[1]. There is one paragraph in particular which should ring a familiar bell... One expert suggested that the NSA's intention here was to separate the sheep from the goats -- to split the entire population of the Internet into "people who have the technical know-how to be private" and "people who don't" and then capture all the communications from the first group. And why would that be familiar? First they came for the terrorists, but I said nothing for I was not a terrorist... [1]: http://boingboing.net/2014/07/03/if-you-read-boing-boing-the-n.html http://boingboing.net/2014/07/03/if-you-read-boing-boing-the...
- gcb0 12y ago
  which would be a good exercise if done in a controlled environment to then catch bad guys when they get that clever (hint, they aren't) the problem is that some incopetent person paid with our money choose to list the Linux journal as a extremist publication just so he didn'thave to bother creating the system for his training. while also gaining information illegally to further help him be a lazy mofo. all while being sanctioned by even more incopetent (or ill intentioned people) above him. anyway, off to scare some kids from my lawn now...

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chrismsnz 12y ago

Considering that XKeyscore was designed to slurp all the things, all the time, this code actually just looks like a very small, tor-specific subset of simple tagging rules. One would assume that those tags can be used to later analyse the data to pluck out things like "find users from syria who visited tor/tails websites and is related to xyz".