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Those protocols took off (HTTP/Email/etc). The network effect came into play. XMPP never really took off (Big surprise). Using it for new, unconnected systems,

by axod 17y ago

Those protocols took off (HTTP/Email/etc). The network effect came into play. XMPP never really took off (Big surprise). Using it for new, unconnected systems, is idiocy IMHO. There are probably more XMPP extension specifications than there are people using XMPP. I agree, launching new protocols is hard. You need leverage and a network effect to get it going. I do get where you're coming from. I just think that anyone who has the choice on what protocol to use for something, and picks XMPP, is mad. Even if it has to interface to legacy systems they could use a bridge.

riffic 17y ago
xmpp seems to have taken off pretty decently from what i've seen so far (rfc process, ietf backing, adoption by google et al)
- axod 17y ago
  A few big users (Google)... isn't the same as widespread adoption. Google could easily switch protocols and provide a legacy xmpp bridge tomorrow if they chose to.
  - riffic 17y ago
    This is a protocol which has quite a few rfc's associated with it (3920, 3921, 3922, 3923, 4622, 4854, 4979, 5437), as well as being proposed as an official internet protocol standard on the rfc-editor site. It isn't going away any time soon, despite your wishes otherwise.
    - axod 17y ago
      RFCs and other documents do not mean it's needed or wanted - "Make something people want". I'm sure it will limp on for years, after all, it's limped on for 10 years so far without real widespread adoption.
      - riffic 17y ago
        whatever, I presented the evidence that it is on a standards track, the IETF seems to like it, and it is a better protocol than any of the alternatives. I'm sure it is possible that one can come along one day to supplant it, but for the meantime it is the best we have and it would be nice if people would adopt a standard rather than whine about it not being done in their way. in fact some amazing things might be possible if the service providers adopted it rather than maintain their proprietary walled gardens. I would love to be able to use my google talk account to initiate a jingle session with users on AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Facebok/etc.

by axod 17y ago

riffic 17y ago

xmpp seems to have taken off pretty decently from what i've seen so far (rfc process, ietf backing, adoption by google et al)

axod 17y ago
A few big users (Google)... isn't the same as widespread adoption. Google could easily switch protocols and provide a legacy xmpp bridge tomorrow if they chose to.
- riffic 17y ago
  This is a protocol which has quite a few rfc's associated with it (3920, 3921, 3922, 3923, 4622, 4854, 4979, 5437), as well as being proposed as an official internet protocol standard on the rfc-editor site. It isn't going away any time soon, despite your wishes otherwise.
  - axod 17y ago
    RFCs and other documents do not mean it's needed or wanted - "Make something people want". I'm sure it will limp on for years, after all, it's limped on for 10 years so far without real widespread adoption.
    - riffic 17y ago
      whatever, I presented the evidence that it is on a standards track, the IETF seems to like it, and it is a better protocol than any of the alternatives. I'm sure it is possible that one can come along one day to supplant it, but for the meantime it is the best we have and it would be nice if people would adopt a standard rather than whine about it not being done in their way. in fact some amazing things might be possible if the service providers adopted it rather than maintain their proprietary walled gardens. I would love to be able to use my google talk account to initiate a jingle session with users on AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Facebok/etc.