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He never said the majority of tor users are criminals, just that the proportion/percentagefraction is higher than non-tor traffic.
by Abraln 12y ago
He never said the majority of tor users are criminals, just that the proportion/percentagefraction is higher than non-tor traffic.
- TheCraiggers 12y agoI don't want to get into a semantics argument here, but: "The proportion of nefarious types (relative to the total user-base) routinely using Tor is going to be significantly higher then the proportion of such who are not..." He is claiming that nefarious usage is significantly higher than non-nefarious usage. That's the exact meaning of majority.
- whafro 12y agoNo, I think he meant "...who are not using Tor". He's saying that if 1% of normal internet traffic is nefarious, that he suspects that > 1% of Tor traffic is nefarious. That is to say that your odds of finding a nefarious packet is greater on Tor than on the broader internet.
- dspillett 12y agoExactly. My wording obviously could have been clearer.
- mikeash 12y agoI don't think it's worded very clearly, but at the end of the day there's only one reasonable interpretation. He's saying that (numbers made up and not realistic) 10% of nefarious types use Tor, while 1% of regular folk use Tor. If nefarious folk make up 1% of the general population, they'll make up about 10% of Tor users, and thus focusing on Tor users will get you a larger proportion of the nefarious.
- tedunangst 12y agoAssume 5% of Tor users are nefarious. Assume 1% of Internet at large users are nefarious. The proportion of nefarious Tor users is significantly (5x) higher. But it's not majority.
- Zigurd 12y agoIn the context of normal law enforcement that would be like searching my car only on the basis of driving down a street where drug deals are are done relatively more often than on other streets.
- middleclick 12y agoIt's difficult to judge that I guess. Maybe the legitimate uses of Tor are far more outreaching than the illegal things?