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I don't there is anything too surprising about this. "User Experience" isn't something you can measure on a single line, there are different aspects to it. I'm

I don't there is anything too surprising about this. "User Experience" isn't something you can measure on a single line, there are different aspects to it. I'm not an expert but I think the following are some of the things that users can appreciate: 1. That things work smoothly. 2. That things look pretty. 3. That it's easy to figure out what a program does when you first use it. 4. That it's possible to control the program efficiently, i.e., that you can quickly activate a program's different functions. 5. That a program is powerful, in that it enables you to customize it to work exactly as you need and automate it's use. I've heard people claim Apple focuses on 1-3, I've never heard people say Apple focuses on 4 and 5. For windows placement in particular, Mac OS (as practically all window managers) has a method that covers 1-3: move and resize with the mouse.

rsynnott 12y ago
> I've heard people claim Apple focuses on 1-3, I've never heard people say Apple focuses on 4 and 5 I think 4 applies to an extent; MacOS has very good (albeit stolen from Emacs) universal text navigation shortcuts, for instance. Funnily enough, they used to be quite keen on 5, with Services and Applescript. Services are still around, but have faded into obscurity, with surprisingly few users even being aware they exist; to an extent, they may be replaced by action extensions.
weavie 12y ago
Maybe its just because I came from Windows, but I generally expect hitting the maximize button to take the app to take up the whole screen space. On OS X, some apps do and some don't. This violates #3 for me. Another one is minimizing a window and then Alt-Tabbing to it (whatever the Mac equivalent is..) doesn't bring that window back up.. You are just left staring at the same app. This violates #1 for me.
- chrisoverzero 12y ago
  Maybe it is indeed because you come from Windows, but OS X doesn't have a Maximize button. The green light of OS X's traffic-light configuration is Zoom. But it's becoming Full Screen in Yosemite, so that should be closer to what you want out of the button. As to your second point, that probably has the same cause. On OS X, you Cmd-Tab between applications, not between windows. Within an application, you can Cmd-Backtick between windows, but I don't think there's a navigatable collection of all windows across all applications.
- joedj 12y ago
  Check out HyperSwitch ( http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch ) - it makes cmd+tab and cmd+backtick way more useful. Window previews, cycle through minimised windows and other good stuff

rsynnott 12y ago

> I've heard people claim Apple focuses on 1-3, I've never heard people say Apple focuses on 4 and 5 I think 4 applies to an extent; MacOS has very good (albeit stolen from Emacs) universal text navigation shortcuts, for instance. Funnily enough, they used to be quite keen on 5, with Services and Applescript. Services are still around, but have faded into obscurity, with surprisingly few users even being aware they exist; to an extent, they may be replaced by action extensions.

weavie 12y ago

Maybe its just because I came from Windows, but I generally expect hitting the maximize button to take the app to take up the whole screen space. On OS X, some apps do and some don't. This violates #3 for me. Another one is minimizing a window and then Alt-Tabbing to it (whatever the Mac equivalent is..) doesn't bring that window back up.. You are just left staring at the same app. This violates #1 for me.

chrisoverzero 12y ago
Maybe it is indeed because you come from Windows, but OS X doesn't have a Maximize button. The green light of OS X's traffic-light configuration is Zoom. But it's becoming Full Screen in Yosemite, so that should be closer to what you want out of the button. As to your second point, that probably has the same cause. On OS X, you Cmd-Tab between applications, not between windows. Within an application, you can Cmd-Backtick between windows, but I don't think there's a navigatable collection of all windows across all applications.
joedj 12y ago
Check out HyperSwitch ( http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch ) - it makes cmd+tab and cmd+backtick way more useful. Window previews, cycle through minimised windows and other good stuff