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> For example, I fully expect a modern society to give a second chance to a difficult teenager that receives a criminal record. They could do that by avoiding

by dap 12y ago

> For example, I fully expect a modern society to give a second chance to a difficult teenager that receives a criminal record. They could do that by avoiding judgment on a teenager with a critical record rather than not pretending like that record doesn't exist. And if the problem is that too many people are judging, then it's not true that society at large really does feel the same way about it. Give people facts, not judgments about the facts.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Can't upvote this enough. I see that EU (and in wider sense, many private advocates wrt. discussions about Facebook, et al.) wants to go the way of denying and removing facts, which is both hurtful for the society and not going to work anyway. The real problem are not teenager's criminal record or photos from drunk partying - the problem are the people who judge others by things like that, many of which are done by everyone else anyway. And if this is the majority of people, maybe we should finally admit that this is a society-wide problem.
Vik1ng 12y ago
The reality is that someone who has 50 applications on his table and wants to invite 5-10 for an interview for 1 position is looking for easy ways to narrow them down.
- oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
  And over time society will recognise that prejudging applicants based on irrelevant crap unearthed on the Internet isn't the best business strategy, so the original problem diminishes.
  - bsder 12y ago
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <sniff> Oh, you kill me ... I needed a good laugh. Reality check. Look at the prevalence of tattoos. Think that the prejudice against that has diminished? As far as I can tell, it's gotten worse. Before, tattoos were sufficiently rare that if somebody had one who was applying for a job where they were unusual, they generally were given the benefit of the doubt (ex-serviceman, gang member who got out, etc.). Now, they're so common that they're used as a proxy for "lower socioeconomic status" and all the discrimination that comes with that.
    - nikatwork 12y ago
      Re: tattoos - maybe that's only a US thing. Visit any finance tower in Melbourne Docklands on casual Fridays and you will see plenty of the early 20s male staff with full sleeve tattoos on display. And I'd guess around 10% of the female staff have small neck or wrist tatts. Ten years ago that would have been completely verboten.
      - lilsunnybee 12y ago
        Yes sadly very common in the US. Many employee dress codes require "no visible tattoos", when unfairly penalizes excesses of youth, cultural differences, and people of lower socioeconomic status, who are unlikely to have funds available for tattoo removal.
krisgenre 12y ago
This should be the top comment!

by dap 12y ago

TeMPOraL 12y ago

Can't upvote this enough. I see that EU (and in wider sense, many private advocates wrt. discussions about Facebook, et al.) wants to go the way of denying and removing facts, which is both hurtful for the society and not going to work anyway. The real problem are not teenager's criminal record or photos from drunk partying - the problem are the people who judge others by things like that, many of which are done by everyone else anyway. And if this is the majority of people, maybe we should finally admit that this is a society-wide problem.

Vik1ng 12y ago

The reality is that someone who has 50 applications on his table and wants to invite 5-10 for an interview for 1 position is looking for easy ways to narrow them down.

oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
And over time society will recognise that prejudging applicants based on irrelevant crap unearthed on the Internet isn't the best business strategy, so the original problem diminishes.
- bsder 12y ago
  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <sniff> Oh, you kill me ... I needed a good laugh. Reality check. Look at the prevalence of tattoos. Think that the prejudice against that has diminished? As far as I can tell, it's gotten worse. Before, tattoos were sufficiently rare that if somebody had one who was applying for a job where they were unusual, they generally were given the benefit of the doubt (ex-serviceman, gang member who got out, etc.). Now, they're so common that they're used as a proxy for "lower socioeconomic status" and all the discrimination that comes with that.
  - nikatwork 12y ago
    Re: tattoos - maybe that's only a US thing. Visit any finance tower in Melbourne Docklands on casual Fridays and you will see plenty of the early 20s male staff with full sleeve tattoos on display. And I'd guess around 10% of the female staff have small neck or wrist tatts. Ten years ago that would have been completely verboten.
    - lilsunnybee 12y ago
      Yes sadly very common in the US. Many employee dress codes require "no visible tattoos", when unfairly penalizes excesses of youth, cultural differences, and people of lower socioeconomic status, who are unlikely to have funds available for tattoo removal.

krisgenre 12y ago

This should be the top comment!