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It seems, in many countries, the knowledge and the acknowledgement of technical facts is very much lacking, both in legislative authorities and in courts.

teamhappy 12y ago
You can't expect them to keep up with everything. Important is who they turn to for guidance. The CCC does a great job advising law makers and law enforcement in Germany and the EFF tries really hard to play a similar role in the US. The Tor Project itself works directly with law enforcement as well (pretty much globally as far as I know).
- igl 12y ago
  A great job?? Can't expect them to do their job? Did you see the outcome of DE-Mail? There is a great presentation about it at ccc-videos. The CCC is currently not advising but sueing the german government. It has also received 0 media attention since it was announced and i am sure it will just fall flat after being stalled for a few years. GG CCC HF Germany.
  - teamhappy 12y ago
    That one was disappointing for sure. I guess you can't win them all. The government not listening to them all the time doesn't mean they didn't do a great job though. Last time I voted I didn't see any fancy touch screens (to name one accomplishment). I didn't say "can't expect them to do their job". I said you can't expect them to keep up with _everything_. Their job is to make legal decisions to the best of their abilities.
    - igl 12y ago
      Do you work for der Spiegel? ;3
guard-of-terra 12y ago
Not only their knowledge is lacking after like 15 years of unversal internet use, they usually insist on now knowing anything, ignoring expertise or relying on bogus "expertise", and otherwise lining with authorities and big biz - who are obviously not neutral, therefore court decision is not neutral either. I interpret this as a direct malice against myself.
hga 12y ago
I think suspicion of ill intent is warranted, or at least I read from a reliable source in the '80s that you couldn't publish a magazine in Austria without getting government approval, which would seem to be somewhat consistent with the mindset behind this law of this interpretation of it.

teamhappy 12y ago

You can't expect them to keep up with everything. Important is who they turn to for guidance. The CCC does a great job advising law makers and law enforcement in Germany and the EFF tries really hard to play a similar role in the US. The Tor Project itself works directly with law enforcement as well (pretty much globally as far as I know).

igl 12y ago
A great job?? Can't expect them to do their job? Did you see the outcome of DE-Mail? There is a great presentation about it at ccc-videos. The CCC is currently not advising but sueing the german government. It has also received 0 media attention since it was announced and i am sure it will just fall flat after being stalled for a few years. GG CCC HF Germany.
- teamhappy 12y ago
  That one was disappointing for sure. I guess you can't win them all. The government not listening to them all the time doesn't mean they didn't do a great job though. Last time I voted I didn't see any fancy touch screens (to name one accomplishment). I didn't say "can't expect them to do their job". I said you can't expect them to keep up with _everything_. Their job is to make legal decisions to the best of their abilities.
  - igl 12y ago
    Do you work for der Spiegel? ;3

guard-of-terra 12y ago

Not only their knowledge is lacking after like 15 years of unversal internet use, they usually insist on now knowing anything, ignoring expertise or relying on bogus "expertise", and otherwise lining with authorities and big biz - who are obviously not neutral, therefore court decision is not neutral either. I interpret this as a direct malice against myself.

hga 12y ago

I think suspicion of ill intent is warranted, or at least I read from a reliable source in the '80s that you couldn't publish a magazine in Austria without getting government approval, which would seem to be somewhat consistent with the mindset behind this law of this interpretation of it.