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The Serious Sam games fit the DooM tradition, as well.
by endgame 12y ago
The Serious Sam games fit the DooM tradition, as well.
- Rolpa 12y agoThere's also numerous open source examples. (See Cube/Cube 2)
- bitwize 12y agoAs do the Tribes games with their "skiing" mechanic.
- aeflash 12y agoSerious Sam can't compete on level design and art direction, though.
- moshR 12y agoI wholeheartedly agree. I love Painkiller as well, but it (the original, at least) never quite got "maneuverability as defense" right in my opinion. I think one reason for this is the integration with the Havok physics engine. The character would often become stalled on debris from broken crates, vases, etc. Stairs were also an issue. If anyone else is into these kinds of shooters, and wants to try more recent titles, I also highly recommend both Hard Reset (2011) and Shadow Warrior (2013) by Flying Wild Hog. I believe some of the developers were part of the original Painkiller team.
- Jehar 12y agoThere is a critical gap between the sensibilities of Doom/Quake/Duke and Painkiller/Serious Sam: level flow. The latter camp is in varying degrees a series of rooms you get locked into as enemies spawn in waves. The former involves navigating a highly varied environment as you attract the attention of pre-existing enemies. Sure, on the avatar scale, they play at a similar level. The environments are what really set the earlier generation apart, and in that respect very little approaches that sort of design.
- Mithaldu 12y agoPainkiller sometimes does that, but other times it gives you levels like Docks, where as much vertical traversal is expected as horizontal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0yJ2V41Jk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0yJ2V41Jk
- Jehar 12y agoI'll happily agree that Painkiller has some more variation then SS, but on the whole it's much more focused with wave-based arenas. This isn't a knock against Painkiller at all, it's a favorite of mine - yet it's still a bit inaccurate to regard it as classical level design.
- Mithaldu 12y agoYeah, you're right. I went and watched the entire video and while they hide it well by having really big arenas, it's still just kill rooms.