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i am 31 and been a professional programmer for 10 years now. I love programming and the science behind it, but i also pay attention to my clothes, work out and

by kayoone 12y ago

i am 31 and been a professional programmer for 10 years now. I love programming and the science behind it, but i also pay attention to my clothes, work out and try to be a somewhat social person. Am i a brogrammer because i am not the stereotypical uber nerd ? No, i am just a programmer that has interests outside of compsci, like any other programmer i know. This book rides the stereotypes and overall has a very weak argument.

paryshnikov 12y ago
I'd urge you to read beyond the preview / intro chapter, this was a big thing I considered in trying to deal with the topic broadly.
tluyben2 12y ago
Maybe nothing to do with this book, however; I think the difference is more obvious between early programmers in the 70's/80's and maybe a part of the 90s and the programmers who learned it after that and 'just' do it for the money. The latter can still be excellent and love programming and the science, but they miss that click of what a amazing machine they actually have in front of them. People who have that overwhelming feeling, and I know many of them, see the machine as the most versatile thing in the world in which you can do anything with code; make money, yes, but create worlds, make people happy, make yourself happy, solve puzzles etc. Most of these people don't have time or the inclination to pay attention to clothes, act social (outside the people who understand) and hit the gym. Mostly because everything is possible within the computer and there is enough possibility in 1 80's machine to fill 100 life-times with joy and wonder. I wrote my first program in '82 and I have stuff to do, problems to solve, software to write, infinitely more interesting to me than what I can think of outside this realm. If I plan my biggest project objectively which I now am working on for around 17 years, I get to about 400 man-years of work to do. But I count on more brilliant folks than me helping by inventing shortcuts / faster computers. And that's only 1 of the projects. I have always been a social animal, I did a lot of sports, I have always started and ran companies with employees and I did go to clubs. I have always regretted that; I wish I could just only spend time on this marvellous apparatus; doing it all over, I would do.
- kayoone 12y ago
  I see that beauty and spend a ridiculous amount of time in front of machines, i simply don't want to die of a heart attack at 60 being overweight and lonely, after all that shortens your opportunity to do stuff quite a bit more. The amount of time spent in clubs or in the gym is laughable in retrospect and any normal person would attest me an unhealthy balance of time spent in front of a machine vs time spent interacting with other people. Also it seems like a dream come true that you can work on the stuff you truely love for so long, reality is that most programmers will have to work on some form of boring project for their employer most of time, which isn't really enlightening in most cases.

by kayoone 12y ago

paryshnikov 12y ago

I'd urge you to read beyond the preview / intro chapter, this was a big thing I considered in trying to deal with the topic broadly.

tluyben2 12y ago

Maybe nothing to do with this book, however; I think the difference is more obvious between early programmers in the 70's/80's and maybe a part of the 90s and the programmers who learned it after that and 'just' do it for the money. The latter can still be excellent and love programming and the science, but they miss that click of what a amazing machine they actually have in front of them. People who have that overwhelming feeling, and I know many of them, see the machine as the most versatile thing in the world in which you can do anything with code; make money, yes, but create worlds, make people happy, make yourself happy, solve puzzles etc. Most of these people don't have time or the inclination to pay attention to clothes, act social (outside the people who understand) and hit the gym. Mostly because everything is possible within the computer and there is enough possibility in 1 80's machine to fill 100 life-times with joy and wonder. I wrote my first program in '82 and I have stuff to do, problems to solve, software to write, infinitely more interesting to me than what I can think of outside this realm. If I plan my biggest project objectively which I now am working on for around 17 years, I get to about 400 man-years of work to do. But I count on more brilliant folks than me helping by inventing shortcuts / faster computers. And that's only 1 of the projects. I have always been a social animal, I did a lot of sports, I have always started and ran companies with employees and I did go to clubs. I have always regretted that; I wish I could just only spend time on this marvellous apparatus; doing it all over, I would do.

kayoone 12y ago
I see that beauty and spend a ridiculous amount of time in front of machines, i simply don't want to die of a heart attack at 60 being overweight and lonely, after all that shortens your opportunity to do stuff quite a bit more. The amount of time spent in clubs or in the gym is laughable in retrospect and any normal person would attest me an unhealthy balance of time spent in front of a machine vs time spent interacting with other people. Also it seems like a dream come true that you can work on the stuff you truely love for so long, reality is that most programmers will have to work on some form of boring project for their employer most of time, which isn't really enlightening in most cases.