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Or a much more likely: strong AI isn't possible.

arethuza 12y ago
Well, my personal view is that I can see absolutely no reason why a proper general artificial intelligence is not possible (and yes, I know about a lot of the philosophical objections) - after all, we have an example of at least one kind of entity that displays general intelligence (i.e. us) and I can see no reason why whatever mechanisms the brain uses to create general intelligence couldn't be replicated by an "artificial" system. Mind you, I think we are a long way off from actually having the theoretical or practical ability to build a true general intelligence - but I'm pretty confident we will get there eventually. Whether this development will actually turn out to be a good idea (Culture) or bad idea (Skynet) is another thing entirely.
- logicallee 12y ago
  >Well, my personal view is that I can see absolutely no reason why a proper general artificial intelligence is not possible [...] - after all, we have an example of at least one kind of entity that displays general intelligence (i.e. us) Very correct. We even have the source code. (About 700 MB worth of it.) Of course, we have no way of running it or an approximation of it, it is for a ridiculously complicated and massive parallel physical and biochemical computer following rules that we can’t begin to comprehend at any level. But we have sequenced the entropy that goes into it – so the existence proof is trivial. (As you indicate.)
  - iand 12y ago
    It's pretty easy to make substantially similar copies of the source code and run them in biological containers. The hard part is the maintenance.
M2Ys4U 12y ago
Data and Lore would seem to contradict that.
- arethuza 12y ago
  There is a scene in "The State of the Art" where the Culture folks visiting Earth are having a party and someone (while wearing a Star Trek uniform and waving a lightsaber around) announces that he wants to be Captain of the GCU Arbitrary. Someone else comments that a person trying to take charge of a Culture ship is like a intestinal bacteria trying to take command of a person. Edit: Of course, the Culture also appeals because of the much higher ambient humour level in the Culture than in the po-faced Federation.
- zeropoint46 12y ago
  maybe, but what about "The Doctor"?
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Well, my personal view is that I can see absolutely no reason why a proper general artificial intelligence is not possible (and yes, I know about a lot of the philosophical objections) - after all, we have an example of at least one kind of entity that displays general intelligence (i.e. us) and I can see no reason why whatever mechanisms the brain uses to create general intelligence couldn't be replicated by an "artificial" system. Mind you, I think we are a long way off from actually having the theoretical or practical ability to build a true general intelligence - but I'm pretty confident we will get there eventually. Whether this development will actually turn out to be a good idea (Culture) or bad idea (Skynet) is another thing entirely.

logicallee 12y ago
>Well, my personal view is that I can see absolutely no reason why a proper general artificial intelligence is not possible [...] - after all, we have an example of at least one kind of entity that displays general intelligence (i.e. us) Very correct. We even have the source code. (About 700 MB worth of it.) Of course, we have no way of running it or an approximation of it, it is for a ridiculously complicated and massive parallel physical and biochemical computer following rules that we can’t begin to comprehend at any level. But we have sequenced the entropy that goes into it – so the existence proof is trivial. (As you indicate.)
- iand 12y ago
  It's pretty easy to make substantially similar copies of the source code and run them in biological containers. The hard part is the maintenance.

M2Ys4U 12y ago

Data and Lore would seem to contradict that.

arethuza 12y ago
There is a scene in "The State of the Art" where the Culture folks visiting Earth are having a party and someone (while wearing a Star Trek uniform and waving a lightsaber around) announces that he wants to be Captain of the GCU Arbitrary. Someone else comments that a person trying to take charge of a Culture ship is like a intestinal bacteria trying to take command of a person. Edit: Of course, the Culture also appeals because of the much higher ambient humour level in the Culture than in the po-faced Federation.
zeropoint46 12y ago
maybe, but what about "The Doctor"?
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