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> The ability of the human body to express truth through the sexual union of married couples is acclaimed. The moral wrongness of using artificial means to mani

by VMG 12y ago

> The ability of the human body to express truth through the sexual union of married couples is acclaimed. The moral wrongness of using artificial means to manipulate such a significant aspect of the created body is explained. Please take a moment to reflect how much damage this type of thinking has done in the world. This book isn't just useless and misguided, it's positively evil.

belovedeagle 12y ago
Without having read the book or arguing for one side or the other, I have to point out that you aren't attempting to meet with the argument or even attack the premises. Instead, you're looking at the conclusion and declaring that, in effect, it is immoral to even argue for that position. This is dogmatism; this is wrong; this is antithetical to sound and rational behavior (to be clear, "this" is your argument, not his!). In short, you /might/ even say that what you've just done is... evil.
andrzejsz 12y ago
Just out of curiosity what damage ?
- VMG 12y ago
  Death. > It follows that many of those who died from AIDS would still be alive today had the Catholic Church abandoned its condom ban in the 1980s, as it became clear that condoms were (and still are) the most effective practical measure to prevent the spread of the disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS Also forbidding sane family planning and the prevention of unwanted offspring, where lack of necessary resources causes even more disease and more death.
  - Qzmp 12y ago
    People undeterred by the catholic church's prohibition on sex outside marriage are unlikely to be reluctant to wear condoms because of doctrinal concerns, I'd have thought.
    - mercer 12y ago
      Theoretically, yes, but sadly the reality isn't quite like that. Passion/desire often trumps doctrine, and doing something that one thinks one shouldn't do can have all sorts of nasty consequences, ranging from teen pregnancy to untreated STD's. Having been an Evangelical Christian and 'assistant teen pastor' in a previous life, I've seen this in action in many different areas of life. People constantly did things they believed were wrong, and the combination of not being prepared or informed about those things and feeling ashamed about it afterwards led to a lot of suffering.
disputin 12y ago
"The abillity .... is acclaimed". Is it? A claim to backup a claim. (Or is that acclaim to backup a claim.)

by VMG 12y ago

belovedeagle 12y ago

Without having read the book or arguing for one side or the other, I have to point out that you aren't attempting to meet with the argument or even attack the premises. Instead, you're looking at the conclusion and declaring that, in effect, it is immoral to even argue for that position. This is dogmatism; this is wrong; this is antithetical to sound and rational behavior (to be clear, "this" is your argument, not his!). In short, you /might/ even say that what you've just done is... evil.

andrzejsz 12y ago

Just out of curiosity what damage ?

VMG 12y ago
Death. > It follows that many of those who died from AIDS would still be alive today had the Catholic Church abandoned its condom ban in the 1980s, as it became clear that condoms were (and still are) the most effective practical measure to prevent the spread of the disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS Also forbidding sane family planning and the prevention of unwanted offspring, where lack of necessary resources causes even more disease and more death.
- Qzmp 12y ago
  People undeterred by the catholic church's prohibition on sex outside marriage are unlikely to be reluctant to wear condoms because of doctrinal concerns, I'd have thought.
  - mercer 12y ago
    Theoretically, yes, but sadly the reality isn't quite like that. Passion/desire often trumps doctrine, and doing something that one thinks one shouldn't do can have all sorts of nasty consequences, ranging from teen pregnancy to untreated STD's. Having been an Evangelical Christian and 'assistant teen pastor' in a previous life, I've seen this in action in many different areas of life. People constantly did things they believed were wrong, and the combination of not being prepared or informed about those things and feeling ashamed about it afterwards led to a lot of suffering.

disputin 12y ago

"The abillity .... is acclaimed". Is it? A claim to backup a claim. (Or is that acclaim to backup a claim.)