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i really don't think this is a good way to go about this. when editors kill accounts here, that person doesn't know that his or her account is dead without goi

i really don't think this is a good way to go about this. when editors kill accounts here, that person doesn't know that his or her account is dead without going to a lot of trouble to find out. that's done for a reason. making account killing into a big public deal short-circuits the original intent.

jacquesm 17y ago
> when editors kill accounts here, that person doesn't know that his or her account is dead without going to a lot of trouble to find out. You've got to be joking I hope ? So, not only are you dead to the world, you are not even aware of it ?
- defen 17y ago
  Somethingawful forums do something similar, called "hellbanning". It's a great way to combat trolls because they think they're still active, just no one is biting.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    For a persistent troll I can see the point, but for a regular and active user that makes an offcolour remark seems to be a little bit over the top. To get shot in the neck without any kind of reason why is one thing, to not even know that you've been shot is a different matter. So, effectively the only way that you 'defen' know that you're still and active user is because I answered your comment ?
- allenbrunson 17y ago
  that's correct. to the person who's logged in with a dead account, it looks like their submissions and comments are just fine. i've personally observed people going on and on for a year or more, not aware that their account is dead. here's another point. having your account [dead]ed is not a death sentence. if you write pg a sincere note and say you're sorry, 98 times out of 100, he'll let you back in. i've also seen this happen many times. but if you're so oblivious to the people around you that you're supposedly interacting with, that you don't even notice that your account is dead ... well, those people deserve to be off in the weeds talking to themselves, if you ask me.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    > if you write pg a sincere note and say you're sorry, 98 times out of 100, he'll let you back in. But for that to be possible you first have to know that you are dead right ? And since the system seems to be engineered in such a way that you can not find out this is a bit of a weak point I think. Maybe you wonder why you are 'impopular', maybe you are not aware that your account even could be dead.
    - allenbrunson 17y ago
      i'm not an editor on this site. i haven't interacted closely with anybody who is. i haven't read the arc source code. yet i know all this stuff about the history, values, mores, and rules of news.yc that i just explained to you. all i did was observe. anyone else here is also free to observe, just like i did, and could figure out all the rules and nuances. really, jacquesm, this is an impedance mismatch. i've read a lot of your comments by now. you are a big loud personality type, you like everything spelled out in big bright letters. you're probably an extrovert in real life. pg is not like that. he's far more subtle than you are.
      - edw519 17y ago
        you are a big loud personality type, you like everything spelled out in big bright letters. you're probably an extrovert in real life Funny, I've read a lot of jacquesm's comments and didn't get that impression at all. He's certainly "into it" and really likes to participate. For all we know, he may be a real introvert in real life and is much more comfortable expressing himself on-line. I know I am.
    - riffer 17y ago
      It's not that users can't find out that they've been deaded, it's that it requires a little bit of work. If one simply logs out and tries to look at their comments, they'll notice it right away. This account that I'm posting under actually started out as a dummy account that I specifically created so that I could ensure that my primary account hadn't been deaded. (This was right after I'd done a couple of very provocative things) Of course, if one makes half a dozen straight comments that never get voted up or down, it should be pretty clear that something is going on. Also, it's worth considering the reason why it isn't made obvious to deaded users why they've been deaded. If you notify a troll that you've killed their account, they simply create a new account and continue. At that point you've effectively accomplished nothing by deading their account, and they whole point is to do something about trolls.
- sp332 17y ago
  It's true, I was banned once and it took me about two weeks to figure out what was going on. I probably wouldn't have caught on at all, except I'd heard of other forums doing similar things. The only trouble is, I'm not a troll. I was told that I was banned due to a server error - not sure if that's true or not.

jacquesm 17y ago

> when editors kill accounts here, that person doesn't know that his or her account is dead without going to a lot of trouble to find out. You've got to be joking I hope ? So, not only are you dead to the world, you are not even aware of it ?

defen 17y ago
Somethingawful forums do something similar, called "hellbanning". It's a great way to combat trolls because they think they're still active, just no one is biting.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  For a persistent troll I can see the point, but for a regular and active user that makes an offcolour remark seems to be a little bit over the top. To get shot in the neck without any kind of reason why is one thing, to not even know that you've been shot is a different matter. So, effectively the only way that you 'defen' know that you're still and active user is because I answered your comment ?
allenbrunson 17y ago
that's correct. to the person who's logged in with a dead account, it looks like their submissions and comments are just fine. i've personally observed people going on and on for a year or more, not aware that their account is dead. here's another point. having your account [dead]ed is not a death sentence. if you write pg a sincere note and say you're sorry, 98 times out of 100, he'll let you back in. i've also seen this happen many times. but if you're so oblivious to the people around you that you're supposedly interacting with, that you don't even notice that your account is dead ... well, those people deserve to be off in the weeds talking to themselves, if you ask me.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  > if you write pg a sincere note and say you're sorry, 98 times out of 100, he'll let you back in. But for that to be possible you first have to know that you are dead right ? And since the system seems to be engineered in such a way that you can not find out this is a bit of a weak point I think. Maybe you wonder why you are 'impopular', maybe you are not aware that your account even could be dead.
  - allenbrunson 17y ago
    i'm not an editor on this site. i haven't interacted closely with anybody who is. i haven't read the arc source code. yet i know all this stuff about the history, values, mores, and rules of news.yc that i just explained to you. all i did was observe. anyone else here is also free to observe, just like i did, and could figure out all the rules and nuances. really, jacquesm, this is an impedance mismatch. i've read a lot of your comments by now. you are a big loud personality type, you like everything spelled out in big bright letters. you're probably an extrovert in real life. pg is not like that. he's far more subtle than you are.
    - edw519 17y ago
      you are a big loud personality type, you like everything spelled out in big bright letters. you're probably an extrovert in real life Funny, I've read a lot of jacquesm's comments and didn't get that impression at all. He's certainly "into it" and really likes to participate. For all we know, he may be a real introvert in real life and is much more comfortable expressing himself on-line. I know I am.
  - riffer 17y ago
    It's not that users can't find out that they've been deaded, it's that it requires a little bit of work. If one simply logs out and tries to look at their comments, they'll notice it right away. This account that I'm posting under actually started out as a dummy account that I specifically created so that I could ensure that my primary account hadn't been deaded. (This was right after I'd done a couple of very provocative things) Of course, if one makes half a dozen straight comments that never get voted up or down, it should be pretty clear that something is going on. Also, it's worth considering the reason why it isn't made obvious to deaded users why they've been deaded. If you notify a troll that you've killed their account, they simply create a new account and continue. At that point you've effectively accomplished nothing by deading their account, and they whole point is to do something about trolls.
sp332 17y ago
It's true, I was banned once and it took me about two weeks to figure out what was going on. I probably wouldn't have caught on at all, except I'd heard of other forums doing similar things. The only trouble is, I'm not a troll. I was told that I was banned due to a server error - not sure if that's true or not.