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What is the suicide rate for people facing felony prosecution? What is their typical socio-economic status? Is that a factor? My bet is, you don't know the an

by 1stop 12y ago

What is the suicide rate for people facing felony prosecution? What is their typical socio-economic status? Is that a factor? My bet is, you don't know the answer to either of those questions, so the "obviously" in your statement is misplaced.

kayoone 12y ago
Its clear by reading his older articles about his reddit past and such that he had some trouble adjusting to a "normal" live. He did not seem like an emotionally stable person to me, even before his suicide.
- 1stop 12y ago
  Your in depth analysis of his emotional state through blog posts? Exactly what is a "normal" life? and what adjustments are required to achieve it? What kind of trouble did he have with those adjustments?
  - ZenPro 12y ago
    Normal life is not suicide. I say that as someone who has talked two people out of suicide. Suicide not a normal emotional, biological or mental state for any living creature. What exactly is wrong with judging someone through a large canon of blog posts? I am sure you would have no trouble judging the mental state of the Westboro Baptist Church members through their blog posts.
    - 1stop 12y ago
      So are you making a value judgement or an empirical judgement? How many people would have to commit suicide (per capita) for it to be considered "normal"? Does the same measure apply to other "fringe" choices in life, Alcohol, drugs, sexuality, etc? If it isn't based on numbers, then you are just making a value judgement... And if one doesn't share your values, they can simply disagree with you.
      - ZenPro 12y ago
        50.1% of all living things for it to be biologically normal. 50.1% of human beings for it to be emotionally normal. But; let's also add your comment is nonsense. I don't need empirical data to state suicide is not normal. I am a human being, that is alive and capable of reason. The HN propensity for immediately crying foul at lack of empirical evidence is almost child like. Are you that incapable of applying reasoned judgement to your daily life? On another tangent; Why do you think sexuality is a choice? That statement alone shows you are not equipped to discuss the issue with any thing resembling common sense or informed opinion. You are just tossing out a bunch of arbitrary control questions that mean nothing.
        1stop 12y ago
        Sexuality is a choice, but isn't always, I can choose different forms of it, are you denying that choice? Are you saying because some people can't choose others are not allowed to? By your definition of "Normal" Black people aren't normal... Nor are white people... erm.. Nor are Indian... or asian... Or christians, or especially not athiests... As there aren't 50.1% of any of them (Compared with the entire species/race). You've reduced "Normal" to "Human" Or perhaps we could admit, that "Normal" is itself a value judgement, and based on social stigma and culture? > I am a human being, that is alive and capable of reason. No, you are clearly a Judeo-christian pushing his "beliefs" on other people pretending it is reason. Suicide is accepted in some cultures (modern and historic). But clearly not yours. And admittedly not Aaron's either, but calling him abnormal for being distressed (and ultimately committing suicide) for being persecuted for something he thought was harmless/for the good, is a strange viewpoint in my mind (just as mine seems strange to you I suspect). > That statement alone shows you are not equipped to discuss the issue with any thing resembling common sense or informed opinion. Well clearly, given I'm arguing that your nebulous concept of 'normal' and 'common sense' are in fact flawed by your own definition. But hey, it is much easier to dismiss an alternative point of view, than to internalise and understand it. BTW: You don't have to be such a dick in your responses, just because what someone (myself in this instance) says something you don't agree with, doesn't mean you should attack and belittle them. While I am reaching for some intellectual high ground in this comment, your words were still hurtful.
- gr33nman 12y ago
  Perhaps accepting the normalized injustice and oppression within the society in which you were socialized is a precondition for emotional stability. Maybe that is why so few of us are willing to question it. Just a thought.

by 1stop 12y ago

kayoone 12y ago

Its clear by reading his older articles about his reddit past and such that he had some trouble adjusting to a "normal" live. He did not seem like an emotionally stable person to me, even before his suicide.

1stop 12y ago
Your in depth analysis of his emotional state through blog posts? Exactly what is a "normal" life? and what adjustments are required to achieve it? What kind of trouble did he have with those adjustments?
- ZenPro 12y ago
  Normal life is not suicide. I say that as someone who has talked two people out of suicide. Suicide not a normal emotional, biological or mental state for any living creature. What exactly is wrong with judging someone through a large canon of blog posts? I am sure you would have no trouble judging the mental state of the Westboro Baptist Church members through their blog posts.
  - 1stop 12y ago
    So are you making a value judgement or an empirical judgement? How many people would have to commit suicide (per capita) for it to be considered "normal"? Does the same measure apply to other "fringe" choices in life, Alcohol, drugs, sexuality, etc? If it isn't based on numbers, then you are just making a value judgement... And if one doesn't share your values, they can simply disagree with you.
    - ZenPro 12y ago
      50.1% of all living things for it to be biologically normal. 50.1% of human beings for it to be emotionally normal. But; let's also add your comment is nonsense. I don't need empirical data to state suicide is not normal. I am a human being, that is alive and capable of reason. The HN propensity for immediately crying foul at lack of empirical evidence is almost child like. Are you that incapable of applying reasoned judgement to your daily life? On another tangent; Why do you think sexuality is a choice? That statement alone shows you are not equipped to discuss the issue with any thing resembling common sense or informed opinion. You are just tossing out a bunch of arbitrary control questions that mean nothing.
      - 1stop 12y ago
        Sexuality is a choice, but isn't always, I can choose different forms of it, are you denying that choice? Are you saying because some people can't choose others are not allowed to? By your definition of "Normal" Black people aren't normal... Nor are white people... erm.. Nor are Indian... or asian... Or christians, or especially not athiests... As there aren't 50.1% of any of them (Compared with the entire species/race). You've reduced "Normal" to "Human" Or perhaps we could admit, that "Normal" is itself a value judgement, and based on social stigma and culture? > I am a human being, that is alive and capable of reason. No, you are clearly a Judeo-christian pushing his "beliefs" on other people pretending it is reason. Suicide is accepted in some cultures (modern and historic). But clearly not yours. And admittedly not Aaron's either, but calling him abnormal for being distressed (and ultimately committing suicide) for being persecuted for something he thought was harmless/for the good, is a strange viewpoint in my mind (just as mine seems strange to you I suspect). > That statement alone shows you are not equipped to discuss the issue with any thing resembling common sense or informed opinion. Well clearly, given I'm arguing that your nebulous concept of 'normal' and 'common sense' are in fact flawed by your own definition. But hey, it is much easier to dismiss an alternative point of view, than to internalise and understand it. BTW: You don't have to be such a dick in your responses, just because what someone (myself in this instance) says something you don't agree with, doesn't mean you should attack and belittle them. While I am reaching for some intellectual high ground in this comment, your words were still hurtful.
gr33nman 12y ago
Perhaps accepting the normalized injustice and oppression within the society in which you were socialized is a precondition for emotional stability. Maybe that is why so few of us are willing to question it. Just a thought.