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Please explain how potential harm from entities you voluntarily engage with is in any way comparable to the harm of a single entity that can ruin or end your li

Please explain how potential harm from entities you voluntarily engage with is in any way comparable to the harm of a single entity that can ruin or end your life on a whim regardless.

gress 12y ago
You don't voluntarily engage with police or prisons whether they are government run or private corporations.
arg01 12y ago
You are not volunteering to engage, you are an externality in someone else's transaction. It's comparable in the outcome to your life. Though admittedly there is a difference in that the single entity purports to obey rules that they claim are for your good while the other multiple actors aren't likely to have expressed any concern for you at all.
audunw 12y ago
It's funny how libertarians think that once you remove government, all human interaction will be voluntary. Humanity is barely keeping itself in check in a complex system that has developed over time, with multiple forms of organization, and multiple levels of checks and balances. Most attempts at massive restructuring has failed horribly, either if it's been in the direction of socialized organization, or private organization. Both were supposed to lead to flatter structures and less abuse, but in fact lead to the polar opposite. But at the quip of an internet comment we're expected to realize in a flash of insight that "oh! it's so simple! if we just do it like this it will all be perfect."
- anon4 12y ago
  In their defence, if we all really just did it like this, it really will all be perfect. Communism only failed because they didn't remove enough problems and over-extended their limited resources. Look at the Amish for a successful example.
- pessimizer 12y ago
  I think you could pull off a Libertarian utopia with a very strong, very cruel dictator.
PhasmaFelis 12y ago
Are you suggesting that engaging with the market is purely voluntary? I'm not sure you can call something "voluntary" when not doing it inevitably results in destitution and homelessness.
Drakim 12y ago
I will be sure to inform these private SWAT teams that I do not wish to engage business with them when they bust down my door.
- nateabele 12y ago
  Obviously, the fact that they consider themselves private is a farce. They're clearly a public entity.

Please explain how potential harm from entities you voluntarily engage with is in any way comparable to the harm of a single entity that can ruin or end your life on a whim regardless.

gress 12y ago

You don't voluntarily engage with police or prisons whether they are government run or private corporations.

arg01 12y ago

You are not volunteering to engage, you are an externality in someone else's transaction. It's comparable in the outcome to your life. Though admittedly there is a difference in that the single entity purports to obey rules that they claim are for your good while the other multiple actors aren't likely to have expressed any concern for you at all.

audunw 12y ago

It's funny how libertarians think that once you remove government, all human interaction will be voluntary. Humanity is barely keeping itself in check in a complex system that has developed over time, with multiple forms of organization, and multiple levels of checks and balances. Most attempts at massive restructuring has failed horribly, either if it's been in the direction of socialized organization, or private organization. Both were supposed to lead to flatter structures and less abuse, but in fact lead to the polar opposite. But at the quip of an internet comment we're expected to realize in a flash of insight that "oh! it's so simple! if we just do it like this it will all be perfect."

anon4 12y ago
In their defence, if we all really just did it like this, it really will all be perfect. Communism only failed because they didn't remove enough problems and over-extended their limited resources. Look at the Amish for a successful example.
pessimizer 12y ago
I think you could pull off a Libertarian utopia with a very strong, very cruel dictator.

PhasmaFelis 12y ago

Are you suggesting that engaging with the market is purely voluntary? I'm not sure you can call something "voluntary" when not doing it inevitably results in destitution and homelessness.

Drakim 12y ago

I will be sure to inform these private SWAT teams that I do not wish to engage business with them when they bust down my door.

nateabele 12y ago
Obviously, the fact that they consider themselves private is a farce. They're clearly a public entity.