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I'm excited to read this, I just bought a copy. I'm presently debating between using Haskell or Clojure for data analysis here at work (or most likely some com

I'm excited to read this, I just bought a copy. I'm presently debating between using Haskell or Clojure for data analysis here at work (or most likely some combination of the two), so the timing couldn't be better.

doorhammer 12y ago
This is a really shallow analysis, and I'm not claiming it's the god given truth. I've been following clojure for awhile, I've listened to--I think--all of Rich Hickey's talks. I've also been recently reading more and more about Haskell. I always come away feeling like they're two of the most "pure" language I've encountered. I don't mean that in a functionally pure way (though there's that too) but ideologically and vision-wise. They both just feel really clean and focussed compared to a lot of languages I use. I think I lean toward haskell right now just because I'm doing .net full time and doing .net and anything even remotely related java ecosystem at the same time would probably make me crazy. It's my own mental hangup, but there it is.
- m0nastic 12y ago
  Yeah, I've followed Clojure from afar for the past two years or so, but haven't yet had a reason to use it at work. I like a lot about the way the language is laid out, and whenever I watch one of Rich Hickey's talks I find myself instinctively wanting to sell all my possessions and walk the earth handing out "Data is Code, Code is Data" tracts. The few times it's seemed like Clojure might be a good fit for something small, I've ended up using Racket (for whatever reason I find all the infrastructure around writing and deploying Racket to be less cumbersome than all of Clojure's Java-ness) So far, I've written all the "collection" type stuff in my system in Haskell, and I'm glad I ignored everyone's hemming and hawing about it, because it was actually a really pleasant experience. Now that I'm gathering a lot of disparate data, I'm in the "what the hell do I do with it?" phase of my project. I'm trying to resist sucking it all into Hadoop (partly because I'm a one-person operation and even a small Hadoop cluster would be larger than all of the systems that are generating the data that I'm monitoring, and partly because I can keep about a years worth of data comfortably in memory). So I'm basically using this as an opportunity to try out whatever kinds of data analysis I think sound interesting, and then hopefully learning what is a good fit and what isn't. This is all uncharted territory for me, and I'm fortunate to be in a position where I can do what I want and don't have any time pressures. I figure I can try to use this data to learn about statistical modeling, graph analysis, and machine learning. For the time being, I'm favoring Haskell for this, but that's not really any type of requirement. I just find that I enjoy Haskell a lot right now, so I should see how far I can go before the honeymoon ends and the awfulness is revealed.
  - doorhammer 12y ago
    Nice. Sometimes I feel like programming paradigms are philosophical sects and I like thinking about them more because they can be incredibly abstract but have really concrete applications. Glad to hear that you're digging haskell. The initial push into a language always has me a bit nervous, especially with something like haskell where I feel like I really need to dig in to get the feel for it. I know they say you don't need to know category theory to appreciate it, but I'm pretty interested in it anyway. I'm sort of in a similar position (except in a corporate job). I have my day to day responsibilities, but I can keep those at bay with some diligence. I also have access to lots of really interesting data (I work for a really large retailer and can access 100% of our chat transcripts, for instance). It makes me really interested in text analysis, clustering, etc, and while there are other languages that seem like they might make more sense, pragmatically, this would be a side track and I think using haskell would be more interesting for myself, especially if I end up doing most of the work on it in my spare time, as kind of a for-fun but useful project. Good luck with your data. Let me know if you decide to walk the earth talking about nonduality in programming; maybe I'll join you.
GrandTheftR 12y ago
I recently did data (log) analysis with Clojure. So far, really enjoyed it. I use gorilla-repl, which is the reason I picked Clojure in the first place. Be able to use (in browser) REPL to play with data, and display table/charts just using Clojure in browser really helps. I have studied and still a fan of Haskell, only did some small sideline project with Haskell before. Would love to read this book. and maybe use it in the future.
jonnybgood 12y ago
For Clojure, there's the Clojure Data Analysis Cookbook[0] and Clojure for Machine Learning[1]. Both on my reading list. [0] http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-data-analysis-cookbook/book http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-data-analysis-cookbook/book [1] http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-for-machine-learning/book http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-for-machine-learning/book
- cfeduke 12y ago
  There is also the sequel to the Clojure Data Analysis Cookbook, Mastering Clojure Data Analysis[0]. While I don't know for certain I'm going to theorize the Haskell Data Analysis Cookbook began as a Haskell version of the Clojure books since they've were written by a student and professor, respectively, at UVA. Both of the Clojure books are excellent - you can look at them as a practical hands on way of learning Clojure as an experienced programmer. I'm familiar with Nishant's excellent quality of work so I imagine the Haskell Data Analysis Cookbook would help a curious programmer learn practical Haskell. (I intend to pick up a copy for just this purpose.) [0] http://www.packtpub.com/mastering-clojure-data-analysis/book http://www.packtpub.com/mastering-clojure-data-analysis/book

doorhammer 12y ago

This is a really shallow analysis, and I'm not claiming it's the god given truth. I've been following clojure for awhile, I've listened to--I think--all of Rich Hickey's talks. I've also been recently reading more and more about Haskell. I always come away feeling like they're two of the most "pure" language I've encountered. I don't mean that in a functionally pure way (though there's that too) but ideologically and vision-wise. They both just feel really clean and focussed compared to a lot of languages I use. I think I lean toward haskell right now just because I'm doing .net full time and doing .net and anything even remotely related java ecosystem at the same time would probably make me crazy. It's my own mental hangup, but there it is.

m0nastic 12y ago
Yeah, I've followed Clojure from afar for the past two years or so, but haven't yet had a reason to use it at work. I like a lot about the way the language is laid out, and whenever I watch one of Rich Hickey's talks I find myself instinctively wanting to sell all my possessions and walk the earth handing out "Data is Code, Code is Data" tracts. The few times it's seemed like Clojure might be a good fit for something small, I've ended up using Racket (for whatever reason I find all the infrastructure around writing and deploying Racket to be less cumbersome than all of Clojure's Java-ness) So far, I've written all the "collection" type stuff in my system in Haskell, and I'm glad I ignored everyone's hemming and hawing about it, because it was actually a really pleasant experience. Now that I'm gathering a lot of disparate data, I'm in the "what the hell do I do with it?" phase of my project. I'm trying to resist sucking it all into Hadoop (partly because I'm a one-person operation and even a small Hadoop cluster would be larger than all of the systems that are generating the data that I'm monitoring, and partly because I can keep about a years worth of data comfortably in memory). So I'm basically using this as an opportunity to try out whatever kinds of data analysis I think sound interesting, and then hopefully learning what is a good fit and what isn't. This is all uncharted territory for me, and I'm fortunate to be in a position where I can do what I want and don't have any time pressures. I figure I can try to use this data to learn about statistical modeling, graph analysis, and machine learning. For the time being, I'm favoring Haskell for this, but that's not really any type of requirement. I just find that I enjoy Haskell a lot right now, so I should see how far I can go before the honeymoon ends and the awfulness is revealed.
- doorhammer 12y ago
  Nice. Sometimes I feel like programming paradigms are philosophical sects and I like thinking about them more because they can be incredibly abstract but have really concrete applications. Glad to hear that you're digging haskell. The initial push into a language always has me a bit nervous, especially with something like haskell where I feel like I really need to dig in to get the feel for it. I know they say you don't need to know category theory to appreciate it, but I'm pretty interested in it anyway. I'm sort of in a similar position (except in a corporate job). I have my day to day responsibilities, but I can keep those at bay with some diligence. I also have access to lots of really interesting data (I work for a really large retailer and can access 100% of our chat transcripts, for instance). It makes me really interested in text analysis, clustering, etc, and while there are other languages that seem like they might make more sense, pragmatically, this would be a side track and I think using haskell would be more interesting for myself, especially if I end up doing most of the work on it in my spare time, as kind of a for-fun but useful project. Good luck with your data. Let me know if you decide to walk the earth talking about nonduality in programming; maybe I'll join you.

GrandTheftR 12y ago

I recently did data (log) analysis with Clojure. So far, really enjoyed it. I use gorilla-repl, which is the reason I picked Clojure in the first place. Be able to use (in browser) REPL to play with data, and display table/charts just using Clojure in browser really helps. I have studied and still a fan of Haskell, only did some small sideline project with Haskell before. Would love to read this book. and maybe use it in the future.

jonnybgood 12y ago

For Clojure, there's the Clojure Data Analysis Cookbook[0] and Clojure for Machine Learning[1]. Both on my reading list. [0] http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-data-analysis-cookbook/book http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-data-analysis-cookbook/book [1] http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-for-machine-learning/book http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-for-machine-learning/book

cfeduke 12y ago
There is also the sequel to the Clojure Data Analysis Cookbook, Mastering Clojure Data Analysis[0]. While I don't know for certain I'm going to theorize the Haskell Data Analysis Cookbook began as a Haskell version of the Clojure books since they've were written by a student and professor, respectively, at UVA. Both of the Clojure books are excellent - you can look at them as a practical hands on way of learning Clojure as an experienced programmer. I'm familiar with Nishant's excellent quality of work so I imagine the Haskell Data Analysis Cookbook would help a curious programmer learn practical Haskell. (I intend to pick up a copy for just this purpose.) [0] http://www.packtpub.com/mastering-clojure-data-analysis/book http://www.packtpub.com/mastering-clojure-data-analysis/book