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"Over a six-month period the National Crime Agency alone estimates that it has had to drop at least 20 cases as a result of missing communications data," she sa

"Over a six-month period the National Crime Agency alone estimates that it has had to drop at least 20 cases as a result of missing communications data," she said in a speech on Tuesday. "Thirteen of these were threat-to-life cases in which a child was assessed to be at risk of imminent harm. This is utter nonsense. If evidence is absent, you cannot just assume that it would have helped your case.

rlpb 12y ago
And later on in the article: "Therefore, if the home secretary is stating that communications data was unavailable in specific cases, then that would suggest that a warrant was either not submitted to, or was rejected by, the companies in question. The question therefore should be why is this the case?" Or is she citing cases where the authorities did not seek a warrant, or the judiciary refused a warrant? And if so, why?
- mike-cardwell 12y ago
  Presumably in some of those cases, the argument was that if they could scan a large number of peoples email for keywords they might have been able to find some evidence as to who was involved. You generally can't get a warrant to scan a large number of peoples email. Especially if that large number amounts to everyone. I don't agree that they should have the ability to do this, even if it saves lives. Because handing over this sort of power to a government only leads to the creation of a police state, which ultimately will probably ruin more lives. Freedom costs lives.
- pjc50 12y ago
  This is Theresa May. Her statements will be either fabrications or horrendously contorted torture of a factual core into something wildly misleading. Remember the "I am not making this up" about the cat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980
binarymax 12y ago
I think we need to officially branch "Cogita de filiis" from Moral-high-ground to its own special place in the list of logical fallacies.
Nanzikambe 12y ago
It's a blatant appeal to paranoia, "think of the children!" essentially. It's mildly encouraging that at least the refrain has moved on from constant reminders of a nebulous terrorist threat to justify horrific changes .. Oh wait, it hasn't, from TFA: The home secretary says internet phone systems Skype and Facetime, as well as social media sites such as Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, have become "safe havens" for organised criminals and terrorists. sigh
- nly 12y ago
  phew thankfully I'm safe from the terrorists on IRC, the newsgroups, my BBSs, and while sending unix wall messages.

rlpb 12y ago

And later on in the article: "Therefore, if the home secretary is stating that communications data was unavailable in specific cases, then that would suggest that a warrant was either not submitted to, or was rejected by, the companies in question. The question therefore should be why is this the case?" Or is she citing cases where the authorities did not seek a warrant, or the judiciary refused a warrant? And if so, why?

mike-cardwell 12y ago
Presumably in some of those cases, the argument was that if they could scan a large number of peoples email for keywords they might have been able to find some evidence as to who was involved. You generally can't get a warrant to scan a large number of peoples email. Especially if that large number amounts to everyone. I don't agree that they should have the ability to do this, even if it saves lives. Because handing over this sort of power to a government only leads to the creation of a police state, which ultimately will probably ruin more lives. Freedom costs lives.
pjc50 12y ago
This is Theresa May. Her statements will be either fabrications or horrendously contorted torture of a factual core into something wildly misleading. Remember the "I am not making this up" about the cat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980

binarymax 12y ago

I think we need to officially branch "Cogita de filiis" from Moral-high-ground to its own special place in the list of logical fallacies.

Nanzikambe 12y ago

It's a blatant appeal to paranoia, "think of the children!" essentially. It's mildly encouraging that at least the refrain has moved on from constant reminders of a nebulous terrorist threat to justify horrific changes .. Oh wait, it hasn't, from TFA: The home secretary says internet phone systems Skype and Facetime, as well as social media sites such as Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, have become "safe havens" for organised criminals and terrorists. sigh

nly 12y ago
phew thankfully I'm safe from the terrorists on IRC, the newsgroups, my BBSs, and while sending unix wall messages.