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Not to mention you'd have to be a pretty low-level drug offender to be able to destroy enough/all of the evidence in the time "not knocking" saves the police.

Not to mention you'd have to be a pretty low-level drug offender to be able to destroy enough/all of the evidence in the time "not knocking" saves the police. (ie. You can't exactly flush a kilogram of cocaine and a triple-beam down the average toilet in a matter of minutes)

bluedino 12y ago
>> You can't exactly flush a kilogram of cocaine down the average toilet in a matter of minutes I would think you could - that's the 'brick' size you see in the movies, I would guess you could flush that down in 2-3 flushes as long as it didn't clump up too bad.
- talmand 12y ago
  Easy solution. Turn off the water to the house and they'll get one flush, two at the most.
  - thathonkey 12y ago
    That is way too logical and cost-effective. Plus then they wouldn't get to use the cool-as-shit flashbangs that their dept got on the cheap.
- erroneousfunk 12y ago
  I posted this above as well, but cocaine is extremely water soluble -- 2 grams per ml of water will dissolve, or a little over 20 times the solubility of baking soda. Even with a low-flow modern 1.28 gallon toilet, it certainly wouldn't "clump up" -- more like instantly disintegrate.
EpicEng 12y ago
You could easily flush a couple of kilos of cocaine. Owning a couple kilos of coke makes you a fairly successful mid-level dealer who must know people higher up on the food chain. P.S. I'm not defending the cops here, just saying, you don't need truck fulls of drugs to be considered "big-time", and they usually get to the bigger fish via the smaller ones.
- thathonkey 12y ago
  I edited my example to make it a little better. Point being: If you are a big enough dealer to be useful to the police in a larger investigation (or to warrant SWAT team "no-knocking" at your door), you probably have quite a bit of related evidence that would not fit down a toilet.
  - EpicEng 12y ago
    Except that simply not true. Do you know how much a kilo of coke costs? We're talking ~20k USD. You could easily flush that, and low level street guys don't have kilos lying around, not even close. If you have access to that kind of quantity you know people who are pretty high up. Not to mention the fact that the penalty for such an amount is on the order of 10 years in prison (of course, that depends on a lot of factors like where you live, how good your lawyer is, etc., but it's quite a large amount of cocaine.)
    - thathonkey 12y ago
      Sorry, I think you're missing my point that is even if somehow they could flush the entire amount of the illicit substance in time, they probably have other items on hand that would be just as good from an evidence perspective. For example, you can't flush a scale down the toilet. If we're talking low-level or mid-level dealers, chances are they have a quantity of pre-packaged amounts of their product on hand and maybe even a firearm or two. Unless they can quickly melt-down and/or liquify all of that stuff, it isn't going down any toilet pipe while the homeowner argues with the cops at the door about the status of a warrant.
      - EpicEng 12y ago
        A scale with a bit of powder on it does not demand 10+ years in prison. A gun, if registered (and it's not like all dealers have illegal guns) carries no penalty in and of itself. They (the cops) need something to barter with. You're much more likely to get useful information from someone facing 10+ years than someone facing 1 year (6 months with good behavior) or probation. They want to find everything.

bluedino 12y ago

>> You can't exactly flush a kilogram of cocaine down the average toilet in a matter of minutes I would think you could - that's the 'brick' size you see in the movies, I would guess you could flush that down in 2-3 flushes as long as it didn't clump up too bad.

talmand 12y ago
Easy solution. Turn off the water to the house and they'll get one flush, two at the most.
- thathonkey 12y ago
  That is way too logical and cost-effective. Plus then they wouldn't get to use the cool-as-shit flashbangs that their dept got on the cheap.
erroneousfunk 12y ago
I posted this above as well, but cocaine is extremely water soluble -- 2 grams per ml of water will dissolve, or a little over 20 times the solubility of baking soda. Even with a low-flow modern 1.28 gallon toilet, it certainly wouldn't "clump up" -- more like instantly disintegrate.

EpicEng 12y ago

You could easily flush a couple of kilos of cocaine. Owning a couple kilos of coke makes you a fairly successful mid-level dealer who must know people higher up on the food chain. P.S. I'm not defending the cops here, just saying, you don't need truck fulls of drugs to be considered "big-time", and they usually get to the bigger fish via the smaller ones.

thathonkey 12y ago
I edited my example to make it a little better. Point being: If you are a big enough dealer to be useful to the police in a larger investigation (or to warrant SWAT team "no-knocking" at your door), you probably have quite a bit of related evidence that would not fit down a toilet.
- EpicEng 12y ago
  Except that simply not true. Do you know how much a kilo of coke costs? We're talking ~20k USD. You could easily flush that, and low level street guys don't have kilos lying around, not even close. If you have access to that kind of quantity you know people who are pretty high up. Not to mention the fact that the penalty for such an amount is on the order of 10 years in prison (of course, that depends on a lot of factors like where you live, how good your lawyer is, etc., but it's quite a large amount of cocaine.)
  - thathonkey 12y ago
    Sorry, I think you're missing my point that is even if somehow they could flush the entire amount of the illicit substance in time, they probably have other items on hand that would be just as good from an evidence perspective. For example, you can't flush a scale down the toilet. If we're talking low-level or mid-level dealers, chances are they have a quantity of pre-packaged amounts of their product on hand and maybe even a firearm or two. Unless they can quickly melt-down and/or liquify all of that stuff, it isn't going down any toilet pipe while the homeowner argues with the cops at the door about the status of a warrant.
    - EpicEng 12y ago
      A scale with a bit of powder on it does not demand 10+ years in prison. A gun, if registered (and it's not like all dealers have illegal guns) carries no penalty in and of itself. They (the cops) need something to barter with. You're much more likely to get useful information from someone facing 10+ years than someone facing 1 year (6 months with good behavior) or probation. They want to find everything.