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No, this is happening in most parts of the country. See http://www.cato.org/raidmap http://www.cato.org/raidmap (more "neutral" source welcome, if someone has
by tinkerrr 12y ago
No, this is happening in most parts of the country.
See http://www.cato.org/raidmap http://www.cato.org/raidmap (more "neutral" source welcome, if someone has another information source/raw data link).
- dllthomas 12y agoGreat link, but worth noting the default view shows raids from the past 30 years.
- stonemetal 12y ago2 in 2014, 0 in 2012, 6 in 2011. Don't know what happened to their 2013 data but ~8 in three or four years shows how rare an event it is.
- dTal 12y agoThere were not 0 in 2012: http://www.infowars.com/man-dies-in-police-raid-on-wrong-house/ http://www.infowars.com/man-dies-in-police-raid-on-wrong-hou... (Apologies for infowars, but the source - ABC News - inexplicably omits the date) The past 4 years seem anomalous - compare the previous four years: 2010 - 19 2009 - 12 2008 - 22 2007 - 16 Much as I'd like to think Obama has single-handedly reformed all of the police departments in the US, I think it rather more likely there's something wrong with the data.
- jdcarter 12y agoI was thinking that "no-knock" raids happened very little around my area (Denver) but this map proved me wrong. While not exactly commonplace, I found several instances of raids in/around Denver based on nothing but a single informant. Some of the news stories were just like the OP--police bust into wrong place and kill someone completely innocent.
- freehunter 12y agoIn 2014 there have been two. In 2012, none. 2013 isn't even listed as an option. Deaths from cars hitting wildlife happens all around the country but I wouldn't say that's representative of the state of the country, nor do most of the citizens live in fear of this happening. These raids are a problem, yes, but in a thread with a European commenting that they think this represents America, your link doesn't really support the argument that this is true.
- ssmoot 12y agoThere was no death in this case (yet). The previous comment was referring to the raids in general (at least how I read it). And those are actually not all that uncommon.
- freehunter 12y agoYeah I got that. But the link doesn't show it's all that common either. Basically none since 2011, and America is a big country. A handful a year across 330 million people is too many, but not nearly as common as the European and my parent are making it out to be.
- ssmoot 12y agoThe raids are very common. Just because people don't die very often doesn't mean they're reasonable. Pointing rifles at innocent people practically indiscriminately ("wrong place, wrong time, now STFU citizen"), not letting parents attend to their scared and/or wounded children... there's just no justification for that. It doesn't make it safer for suspects. It doesn't make it safer for police. It's certainly not safer for bystanders. I'm not the sort to evoke "our fore-fathers", but I seriously doubt a militarized police force who could raid citizen's homes without notice is something they would approve of.
- freehunter 12y agoAre you arguing against my point, or against someone else? Your first sentence could be a reply to me, but you're making a claim that contradicts the evidence that I'm arguing against, and you present no new evidence. Just saying "it's common" doesn't make it so. The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything I've said, so I will assume you meant to reply to someone else.
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- dTal 12y agoSomething seems wrong with the data for the past 4 years. 0 is certainly incorrect for 2012 and the previous 4 years average 17 raids/year.