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What are the alternatives to Heroku? I'm looking for something that makes it easy to deploy and launch services. http://deis.io http://deis.io looks promising b

by nonane 12y ago

What are the alternatives to Heroku? I'm looking for something that makes it easy to deploy and launch services. http://deis.io http://deis.io looks promising but it isn't production ready yet.

cobrabyte 12y ago
We've been pretty happy with Cloud66 (www.cloud66.com).
gabrtv 12y ago
Deis has quite a few successful deployments in the wild. Most of the work being done today is around automated testing, platform hardening, HA/failure modes, etc. A stable release is not far away.
- nonane 12y ago
  Who is Deis targeted towards? I'm a regular developer with little real world Ops experience. Will Deis be a good fit for me? From the docs it looks like Deis reuqires an advanced Ops person to manage a cluster of Deis machines.
  - gabrtv 12y ago
    Deis is for software teams who need to operate their own servers (for a variety of reasons). If you're a "regular developer with little real world Ops experience", I personally recommend sticking with Heroku or equivalent hosted services despite the occasional outages.
king_magic 12y ago
I literally just discovered Dokku (https://github.com/progrium/dokku https://github.com/progrium/dokku) yesterday - a "Docker powered mini-Heroku in around 100 lines of Bash". You can roll your own PaaS infrastructure on your own VMs. It took a few hours, but I was able to get my Heroku-based Rails app up and running on a Dokku droplet (to be fair, the most time-consuming part was getting the SSH keys right and figuring out that I needed a domain name - e.g., couldn't just set it up with a droplet's IP address - at least not with the DigitalOcean tutorial's instructions: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-digitalocean-dokku-application https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-...).
- mattgreenrocks 12y ago
  Dokku is cool, but it is very basic. Deployed apps don't have any sort of restart protection, for instance.
  - king_magic 12y ago
    It looks like it's possible with a Dokku plugin (https://github.com/statianzo/dokku-supervisord https://github.com/statianzo/dokku-supervisord). But agreed, definitely basic - but I think it has a ton of potential.
  - lbotos 12y ago
    The Dokku team is behind Flynn (https://flynn.io/ https://flynn.io/) which has more features a la deis.
- jonahx 12y ago
  Serious, non-sarcastic question: So now you have your own mini Heroku on your own VM somewhere. Is the probability of downtime now smaller than it was on heroku? It seems to be it would be higher...
  - zhengyi13 12y ago
    Yes, but now you can at least plan/schedule downtime according to your particular needs, and unscheduled downtime is at least a little more transparent to you. Sounds like that's what the original article wanted, in any case.
    - jonahx 12y ago
      That's a legitimate benefit, although I was suggesting it's offset by the greater chance of something going wrong when you are managing your own servers, especially if you're not an expert sysadmin. I would assume Heroku instances are secured better than a box you're locking down yourself.
Gmo 12y ago
I would recommend http://clever-cloud.com/ http://clever-cloud.com/ I use it for Node deployment, but they also host ruby, php, go and java apps.
AJ72 12y ago
If you have a Rails App, you should consider Ninefold.com. You deploy direct from Github (or your Git Repo) and can have a VPS in the same security group if you need a utility box.
- rhizome 12y ago
  I deploy to $random-web-host from GitHub using Capistrano, what's the advantage here?
  - AJ72 12y ago
    Depends on your use case. Advantage is around performance, and that you don't have to focus on the devops part of deployments that Capistrano requires. You get full access to servers & free SSL for rails apps. Strong engineering support.
gnepzhao 12y ago
seriously, don't host your own PaaS. It simply add more complexity into the game. When things went wrong, you have no clue how to bring the PaaS back at the first place. Learning how to secure your servers and scale your app is not an overhead, it is a competence compared with those who don't.

by nonane 12y ago

What are the alternatives to Heroku? I'm looking for something that makes it easy to deploy and launch services. http://deis.io http://deis.io looks promising but it isn't production ready yet.

cobrabyte 12y ago

We've been pretty happy with Cloud66 (www.cloud66.com).

gabrtv 12y ago

Deis has quite a few successful deployments in the wild. Most of the work being done today is around automated testing, platform hardening, HA/failure modes, etc. A stable release is not far away.

nonane 12y ago
Who is Deis targeted towards? I'm a regular developer with little real world Ops experience. Will Deis be a good fit for me? From the docs it looks like Deis reuqires an advanced Ops person to manage a cluster of Deis machines.
- gabrtv 12y ago
  Deis is for software teams who need to operate their own servers (for a variety of reasons). If you're a "regular developer with little real world Ops experience", I personally recommend sticking with Heroku or equivalent hosted services despite the occasional outages.

king_magic 12y ago

I literally just discovered Dokku (https://github.com/progrium/dokku https://github.com/progrium/dokku) yesterday - a "Docker powered mini-Heroku in around 100 lines of Bash". You can roll your own PaaS infrastructure on your own VMs. It took a few hours, but I was able to get my Heroku-based Rails app up and running on a Dokku droplet (to be fair, the most time-consuming part was getting the SSH keys right and figuring out that I needed a domain name - e.g., couldn't just set it up with a droplet's IP address - at least not with the DigitalOcean tutorial's instructions: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-digitalocean-dokku-application https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-...).

mattgreenrocks 12y ago
Dokku is cool, but it is very basic. Deployed apps don't have any sort of restart protection, for instance.
- king_magic 12y ago
  It looks like it's possible with a Dokku plugin (https://github.com/statianzo/dokku-supervisord https://github.com/statianzo/dokku-supervisord). But agreed, definitely basic - but I think it has a ton of potential.
- lbotos 12y ago
  The Dokku team is behind Flynn (https://flynn.io/ https://flynn.io/) which has more features a la deis.
jonahx 12y ago
Serious, non-sarcastic question: So now you have your own mini Heroku on your own VM somewhere. Is the probability of downtime now smaller than it was on heroku? It seems to be it would be higher...
- zhengyi13 12y ago
  Yes, but now you can at least plan/schedule downtime according to your particular needs, and unscheduled downtime is at least a little more transparent to you. Sounds like that's what the original article wanted, in any case.
  - jonahx 12y ago
    That's a legitimate benefit, although I was suggesting it's offset by the greater chance of something going wrong when you are managing your own servers, especially if you're not an expert sysadmin. I would assume Heroku instances are secured better than a box you're locking down yourself.

Gmo 12y ago

I would recommend http://clever-cloud.com/ http://clever-cloud.com/ I use it for Node deployment, but they also host ruby, php, go and java apps.

AJ72 12y ago

If you have a Rails App, you should consider Ninefold.com. You deploy direct from Github (or your Git Repo) and can have a VPS in the same security group if you need a utility box.

rhizome 12y ago
I deploy to $random-web-host from GitHub using Capistrano, what's the advantage here?
- AJ72 12y ago
  Depends on your use case. Advantage is around performance, and that you don't have to focus on the devops part of deployments that Capistrano requires. You get full access to servers & free SSL for rails apps. Strong engineering support.

gnepzhao 12y ago

seriously, don't host your own PaaS. It simply add more complexity into the game. When things went wrong, you have no clue how to bring the PaaS back at the first place. Learning how to secure your servers and scale your app is not an overhead, it is a competence compared with those who don't.