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Opera 24 for Linux released on the Developer stream
- rebugger 12y agoWho would have expected that? Maybe this can be a userfriendlier alternative to Chromium? All that is missing: opensource it.
- thristian 12y agoWell, it's basically just Chromium, so I doubt it would ever be more user-friendly, and effectively it is open-sourced.
- rebugger 12y agoWell there are 2 features I really miss in Chromium (which are implemented in Opera now): * easily Add/remove websites from the speeddial * closing the last tab won't quit the browser (this annoyed me the most)
- mikesname 12y agoI think it's fair to hope for a more customizable Chromium, since customizability is one of the things Opera was known for. For me personally, things like a bookmarks sidebar and more flexible tab positioning would help tempt me to switch back to Opera from Firefox.
- rz2k 12y agoAs I understand it all browsers on iOS use UIWebView rather than their own engines. However, the Opera Coast browser on iOS has a great user interface that is different from Safari.
- tracksmer 12y agoIt's not basically Chromium. It's using Chromium yes, but with a new interface.
- rplnt 12y agoIt's similarly featureless.
- tracksmer 12y agoThat can be said about just about any browser, such as IE, Firefox, etc. Too many features -> bloat + user confusion.
- rplnt 12y agoYet the old Opera was (and is) much faster than chrome/firefox. User confusion is valid if those are the users you are after. For the "what is Internet?" crowd there's Chrome already, and I think there's enough space for something else.
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- Aoyagi 12y agoAs someone who was left behind with Opera 12, I have mixed feelings about this.
- thomasahle 12y agoWhat's so great about Opera 12?
- danieldk 12y agoIt's the last Linux version: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux
- coldpie 12y agoFor one thing, Opera 12 was the last version released for Linux. It was also the last version before they basically completely rewrote the software on top of Webkit. I was a Linux Opera user since 2007 up until a couple months ago. I finally switched away because Opera 12 was getting on three years old, which is ancient for web browsers. Now I use Firefox full time, and I've heard enough bad things about Webkit Opera that I'm not really interested in even trying it.
- jlarocco 12y ago"Rewrote" isn't even accurate, from what I've seen. On osx it's like a buggy version of chrome, with few of the things that I liked in the original opera browser. Supposedly they're working on it, and I'll try this on my linux machine later today, but I'm probably staying with chromium everywhere at this point.
- tracksmer 12y agoYou should probably look a bit closer. It's quite different from Chrome with different features, etc.
- sgift 12y agoIt was the last Opera with its own rendering engine. Now it is just another UI for Blink. So sad.
- scrollaway 12y agoOpera really went a step backwards a while back when they switched from Qt to GTK "For better compatibility with desktop environments", while DEs were themselves busy switching to Qt. I hope they will correct that soon.
- hrjet 12y ago> DEs were themselves busy switching to Qt. Interesting. I know only of KDE. Are there others? (Genuine question)
- fafner 12y agoLXDE - the ultra light weight DE - is switching from GTK+ to Qt. I think Canonical is switching Unity from GTK+ to Qt as well.
- quarterto 12y agoUnity 8 uses QML for the shell itself but the applications will still be in GTK. And Lubuntu pushed back shipping LXQT until at least 15.04.
- air 12y ago"Unity 8 uses QML for the shell itself but the applications will still be in GTK." I think GTK will be just for legacy/3rd party applications and new stuff by Canonical will be Qt based.
- abhinavk 12y agoAccording to develop.ubuntu.com, Ubuntu SDK allows two types of apps. Native (QML) and HTML5. I don't see GTK+ written anywhere.
- marcoms 12y agoAt least they don't have to use C++
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- mike-- 12y agoThere is package for rpm-based linux?
- rawland 12y agoOpera, please open source the discontinued Opera 12!
- rplnt 12y agoI'm still sticking with 11/12. It's pain to use any other browser. Performance is worse, ux is worse, basic functionality is missing, weird bugs everywhere. Now I use combination of Opera, Firefox and Chrome (for js heavy apps like gmail). Eventually want to switch to Firefox. It's really sad they let everything go and made just another dumbed-down featureless browser.
- anoother 12y agoPrecisely. I just tried this out. + It opened all the tabs from my Opera 12 session - It lost all my tab groups: seems it doesn't support them - It ate up RAM to the point I had trouble moving my mouse cursor I, too, still use Opera 12 everywhere it's still usable, and Chromium for the rest. I don't need a Chromium replacement. I need an Opera replacement, preferably with all the shiny new features (in terms of compatibility, standards support and performance) that Chromium has. Opera 12 isn't perfect, but if it had been in development for the period of releases 12-24, it certainly would be the only browser I'd need to use. It's a shame Opera themselves can't be motivated build a worthy upgrade to their own browser. Without Presto, and the same innovative spirit that brought us tabs, speed dial, mouse gestures, Opera Link, etc., etc., what exactly is their USP?
- rplnt 12y agoI think they were bought by someone (an UA or PL company I believe) and many of the core people left (or were let go). But don't quote me on this, I've just read in a random discussion as you do now.
- tagawa 12y agoThey weren't bought but in the past few years the CEO and founder left the company and they did make some acquisitions, including in advertising (mobile in particular) which is where a significant portion of their revenue now comes from.
- brokenparser 12y agoDoes it still come with mail and bit torrent clients?
- anonymfus 12y agoNo. IRC and RSS/Atom also not supported.
- brokenparser 12y agoThen they should call it Opera 3.24, or -1 and count backwards from hereon.
- Osiris 12y agoOpera Mail is a separate download, still using the old Opera 12 code base. I use it because I have multiple email accounts and it allows me to use them all as a unified inbox. However, it's still at version 1.0. It hasn't received a single update since it was released and it has a few annoying bugs. It's still the best desktop email client though.
- easytiger 12y agoI will never understand why they didnt do an calender and pitch the mail (which was excellent) and that at enterprise users.
- stepanbujnak 12y agoLast Opera release for linux was 12.16. That's about 12 skipped updates (I just assume, I'm not familiar with the actual opera versioning) and that's unacceptable. What guarantee does Opera give me that this won't happen again and I won't be stuck with outdated browser for a year?
- jccalhoun 12y agoOpera switched from their own engine, Presto, to using Chrome's Blink engine. They probably won't be switching engines again any time soon.
- JOHN_BONER 12y agoThey don't have to switch engines to stop supporting Opera on Linux again. They just have to stop releasing new builds. With Opera being closed source software, Linux users can't just compile it themselves from source. They're stuck with whatever version Opera chooses to release.
- rasz_pl 12y agoThey didnt switch engines, they dropped their browser entirely and skinned Chromium.
- tracksmer 12y agoNo, they didn't skin Chromium. They made a new interface on Chromium.
- Seldaek 12y agoThere is a bit of history and context needed here I think. The last Opera 12 was released about a year ago. Last year they announced they would switch to using Blink instead of their own rendering engine. The engine switch came with a complete rewrite of their browser as far as I understand it, so they prioritized Windows/OSX stability for a year and now finally came up with a Linux build again. The big gap in version numbers is due to their new browser starting at 15 + the adoption of a much shorter release cycle. Once Linux builds are made stable I expect they will continue to release builds on all 3 platforms as they were doing for the many years before this slightly extreme shift.
- rasz_pl 12y agoStill no customizability? Still no features from 12.xx? Still reskinned Chromium? Why bother? ;/
- mrweasel 12y agoI can understand Opera not wanting to maintain their own rendering engine, except that I though that was their main source of income. What I can't understand is why they release the WebKit/Blink based Opera when they did. They shipped a version of "Opera" without the stuff that people loved and bet that it was the brand that people loved. I used very few of the features in Opera 12, but I switched to Firefox when the new version shipped because they made it harder to get the privacy settings I want and I can't make DuckDuckGo the default search engine (honestly: Is that really so hard to do?) Dragonfly, the Opera web developer tool is another thing I would have loved to be able to use, but I will accept that it's a bit harder to port and wouldn't be a day one feature. What they done in the past 12 version is beyond me, I don't see that adding anything important or bringing back anything that people actually want. Dear Opera please fix: - Customizable DEFAULT search engines. - Bring back Opera Link. - Bring back DragonFly (When you have the time). If it saves time you can drop: - Speed Dial - Stash ( Serious question: Who needs that? ) - Discover, see question regarding Stash. - Theme support, see question regarding Stash.
- tracksmer 12y agoYou claim they shipped a version without the stuff people loved, but Speed Dial was one of the most popular features in the old Opera. Speed Dial is one of the features that define Opera. Seems you don't quite represent most Opera users?
- easytiger 12y agospeeddial was added to opera fairly late on.
- tracksmer 12y ago2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_of_the_Opera_web_browser#Speed_Dial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_of_the_Opera_web_brows... Doesn't really matter, though. Doesn't change the fact that it's a signature Opera feature.
- bla2 12y ago> not all of us want proprietary operating systems Not sure if these people want to use a proprietary browser.
- Miraries 12y agoThe incompatibility with websites on old Opera was enough for me to temporarily switch to Chrome. Now I'm making freaking extensions which bring some Presto features to it so it's more usable until Opera makes some significant changes to the new browser...
- finishingmove 12y agoIronically, this happens the day after I finally stopped using Opera. As a long time Windows and Opera user, I finally switched to Ubuntu a few days ago, and frankly wasn't so surprised to find out that Opera is not even supported. All the things that made it good died with 12.16 and this was just the last drop in a sea of users' tears. Now, having it suddenly available again, I don't feel like going back there anymore. Goodbye, although I can't help but feel the real goodbye was said a long time ago -- what came after was just denial.
- lurkinggrue 12y agoWOW! I never expected they would do it. Shame it's still Opera 24.
- steanne 12y agoone CAN switch the default search engine in Opera 12 (which is good, because i ain't switchin'.) a) drop down the search bar and pick manage search. b) pick the provider you want as default and hit edit. c) hit the details button. d) select the tick boxes for "use as default" and "use as speed dial".