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That assumes that the people doing all of this are located somewhere where better paying legitimate jobs are easy to come by. They usually aren't.

x0x0 12y ago
even if they don't, they seem like they have enough technical chops that said jobs would find them...
- ljf 12y ago
  Some people just enjoy being the other side of the fence. Think how many hackers do similar work 'for free' without being able to turn their hacks into cash. I guess many of this people also get a kick out of taking on something so huge and powerful and 'winning'.
- thaumasiotes 12y ago
  > they seem like they have enough technical chops that said jobs would find them... In my experience, jobs don't find you. By what mechanism do you think this would happen?
  - dfox 12y ago
    That depends on your exposure to people interested in you working for them. It's certain that when you are well connected jobs just find you. On the other hand it is imaginable that for many people in computer security most "jobs that find them" are not exactly ethical. While I would not exactly position myself into computer security, I've got my share of borderline black-hat offers, although in all cases the other party believed that what they are doing is perfectly legal.
aburan28 12y ago
they probably don't have a degree and unfortunately in most places across the east coast, a 4 yr degree is a prerequisite
- Spearchucker 12y ago
  Not so sure about that. I don't have a degree, and (almost) every company I've worked for (includes engineering roles at EDS, Microsoft and Nokia) said in their job specs that they absolutely require degrees. I ignore that requirement and let my resume speak for me. It works.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    The problem is getting the resume in the first place. Not that it excuses the theft, I'm just saying that companies that accept GitHub accounts as a substitute for working experience can be hard to find.

x0x0 12y ago

even if they don't, they seem like they have enough technical chops that said jobs would find them...

ljf 12y ago
Some people just enjoy being the other side of the fence. Think how many hackers do similar work 'for free' without being able to turn their hacks into cash. I guess many of this people also get a kick out of taking on something so huge and powerful and 'winning'.
thaumasiotes 12y ago
> they seem like they have enough technical chops that said jobs would find them... In my experience, jobs don't find you. By what mechanism do you think this would happen?
- dfox 12y ago
  That depends on your exposure to people interested in you working for them. It's certain that when you are well connected jobs just find you. On the other hand it is imaginable that for many people in computer security most "jobs that find them" are not exactly ethical. While I would not exactly position myself into computer security, I've got my share of borderline black-hat offers, although in all cases the other party believed that what they are doing is perfectly legal.

aburan28 12y ago

they probably don't have a degree and unfortunately in most places across the east coast, a 4 yr degree is a prerequisite

Spearchucker 12y ago
Not so sure about that. I don't have a degree, and (almost) every company I've worked for (includes engineering roles at EDS, Microsoft and Nokia) said in their job specs that they absolutely require degrees. I ignore that requirement and let my resume speak for me. It works.
- icebraining 12y ago
  The problem is getting the resume in the first place. Not that it excuses the theft, I'm just saying that companies that accept GitHub accounts as a substitute for working experience can be hard to find.