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I'm surprised a 10 minute drive translates to a potentially 1:20 minute ride. I feel like one of these numbers is exaggerated. Regardless, if it's not right fo

I'm surprised a 10 minute drive translates to a potentially 1:20 minute ride. I feel like one of these numbers is exaggerated. Regardless, if it's not right for you it is right for someone on your approximate route. So if you can't be convinced to ride in but they can that's win-win. They have an easier ride into work on a bike and you have a less congested drive in because the biker is one less driver.

bane 12y ago
Do the math, how far can you get in a car doing 60 mph in 10 minutes? How far on a bike doing 10mph? Toss in a couple hills. If there are any people riding bikes on my route I have yet to see them in 7 years.
- ojbyrne 12y ago
  Except for traffic - I've found that my commute is almost exactly the same time, bike or car, because of traffic (I'm in Silicon Valley).
- stinos 12y ago
  So how much kilometers is it then? (both for the car trip and the bike trip, depending on the area they can vary). Btw I don't know where you get the 10mph figure, but assuming it applies to you without trying it is starting off on the wrong foot. Depending on age, fitness etc that can easily be 15mph, including hills.
  - bane 12y ago
    I don't know why you got downvoted. It's a fair question. https://subsite.kk.dk/sitecore/content/Subsites/CityOfCopenhagen/SubsiteFrontpage/LivingInCopenhagen/CityAndTraffic/CityOfCyclists/CycleStatistics.aspx https://subsite.kk.dk/sitecore/content/Subsites/CityOfCopenh... How fast can you travel through town by bike and car? The average travelling speed in Copenhagen is 15.5 km/h for cyclists and 27 km/hour for cars. In places with green wave for cyclist the average speed is 20.72 km/h.
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  > how far can you get in a car doing 60 mph in 10 minutes? In the city that I live and work in, at rush hour? Absolutely nowhere.
  - bane 12y ago
    You'd be amazed at how much of the world isn't a dense urban environment.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
      Sure. We can't have one-kind-fits-all solutions. Which is appropriate in the context of a discussion about adding bike lanes to dense urban environments mostly designed for cars.
      - bane 12y ago
        Ha! I'm even of the opinion that most urban environments should actively work to dissuade automobiles except for delivery vehicles and taxis. They should be walkable, public transport and biking meccas. So I sympathize that they aren't. But the discussion is also about "why don't more people bike to work" and the consensus seems to be "we need more bike lanes!" and I'm simply pointing out that that won't solve the issue.
        SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
        > the consensus seems to be "we need more bike lanes!" and I'm simply pointing out that that won't solve the issue. I really don't think that adding more bike lanes would get everyone biking or "solve the issue" entirely. That isn't a reasonable position. But nonetheless, we need more bike lanes. We need more separated, safe bike lanes. We need them in every city, except maybe for those who have got there already - i.e. Amsterdam, Copenhagen and very few others. Survey after survey where I am shows that the main thing preventing higher (not universal, just higher) uptake of cycling to work is not the distance, or the weather, it's the fear factor, i.e the lack of safe facilities like bike lanes. http://thinkingaboutcycling.com/article-fear-of-cycling/ http://thinkingaboutcycling.com/article-fear-of-cycling/ http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/09/cycling-london http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/09/cycling-londo...
orkoden 12y ago
You will also spend more time waiting in traffic with a car. The time to look for a parking space is a lot shorter if you're with a bike.

bane 12y ago

Do the math, how far can you get in a car doing 60 mph in 10 minutes? How far on a bike doing 10mph? Toss in a couple hills. If there are any people riding bikes on my route I have yet to see them in 7 years.

ojbyrne 12y ago
Except for traffic - I've found that my commute is almost exactly the same time, bike or car, because of traffic (I'm in Silicon Valley).
stinos 12y ago
So how much kilometers is it then? (both for the car trip and the bike trip, depending on the area they can vary). Btw I don't know where you get the 10mph figure, but assuming it applies to you without trying it is starting off on the wrong foot. Depending on age, fitness etc that can easily be 15mph, including hills.
- bane 12y ago
  I don't know why you got downvoted. It's a fair question. https://subsite.kk.dk/sitecore/content/Subsites/CityOfCopenhagen/SubsiteFrontpage/LivingInCopenhagen/CityAndTraffic/CityOfCyclists/CycleStatistics.aspx https://subsite.kk.dk/sitecore/content/Subsites/CityOfCopenh... How fast can you travel through town by bike and car? The average travelling speed in Copenhagen is 15.5 km/h for cyclists and 27 km/hour for cars. In places with green wave for cyclist the average speed is 20.72 km/h.
SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
> how far can you get in a car doing 60 mph in 10 minutes? In the city that I live and work in, at rush hour? Absolutely nowhere.
- bane 12y ago
  You'd be amazed at how much of the world isn't a dense urban environment.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
    Sure. We can't have one-kind-fits-all solutions. Which is appropriate in the context of a discussion about adding bike lanes to dense urban environments mostly designed for cars.
    - bane 12y ago
      Ha! I'm even of the opinion that most urban environments should actively work to dissuade automobiles except for delivery vehicles and taxis. They should be walkable, public transport and biking meccas. So I sympathize that they aren't. But the discussion is also about "why don't more people bike to work" and the consensus seems to be "we need more bike lanes!" and I'm simply pointing out that that won't solve the issue.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
        > the consensus seems to be "we need more bike lanes!" and I'm simply pointing out that that won't solve the issue. I really don't think that adding more bike lanes would get everyone biking or "solve the issue" entirely. That isn't a reasonable position. But nonetheless, we need more bike lanes. We need more separated, safe bike lanes. We need them in every city, except maybe for those who have got there already - i.e. Amsterdam, Copenhagen and very few others. Survey after survey where I am shows that the main thing preventing higher (not universal, just higher) uptake of cycling to work is not the distance, or the weather, it's the fear factor, i.e the lack of safe facilities like bike lanes. http://thinkingaboutcycling.com/article-fear-of-cycling/ http://thinkingaboutcycling.com/article-fear-of-cycling/ http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/09/cycling-london http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/09/cycling-londo...

orkoden 12y ago

You will also spend more time waiting in traffic with a car. The time to look for a parking space is a lot shorter if you're with a bike.