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You cool off for a bit and then take a quick shower before starting work proper. Most offices that I've been to have shower/changeroom facilities, and the peopl

by daemin 12y ago

You cool off for a bit and then take a quick shower before starting work proper. Most offices that I've been to have shower/changeroom facilities, and the people that cycle to work use them. Of course if your ride is over an hour you may want to consider alternatives, such as catching a train for part of the journey. I have known plenty of people that have 30-50 minute rides, and also others where riding a bike takes exactly as long as being stuck in traffic.

marincounty 12y ago
I think there are really some morning people, and night people? I can barely muster the energy to get into my car and point it towards work. If I camped, I would be the first one eaten by a Sabertooth Tiger. I quit a job because they required me there an hour earlier than other shops. Even if I have a playmate over--hands off until I wake up. Sorry Miss Simms--it wasen't you, I was tired.
bane 12y ago
In 20 years, I've only worked in one place that had a shower. To me, for practical and obvious reasons, it sounds like no number of bike lanes will get people riding if that isn't solved.
- andrewliebchen 12y ago
  I bet your have a gym within walking distance to your office. If you go to the gym when you get home, just shift your gym time to before work. You ride to your gym, take your shower, walk to work. Bam problem solved.
  - bane 12y ago
    Nope. Even if I did, now I have to pay a monthly fee so I can have a crap ride to work? No thanks again!
    - andrewliebchen 12y ago
      You already pay a monthly fee to have a crap drive to work in your car. If only you could be charged for the negative externalities of driving, the actual cost of maintaining the road, to park your car, to fill your gas tank...maybe you'd have a different opinion.
      - hueving 12y ago
        I wouldn't call a 10 minute car ride a 'crop drive'. That's a pretty good commute. Cost incurred by one car of maintaining the road is essentially negligible. The majority of road damage comes from heavy vehicles or weather. Additionally it's interesting you want to 'charge for externalities' when it's actually the cyclists getting a free ride in this category. License fees and gasoline taxes contribute to road funding. Nothing related to cycling does. I agree with parking, but only if it costs something. If the office already has it, you not using it will not likely save the company any money by refusing to use it. The only externality you might not be paying enough for to drive to work is the gas filling (assuming non electric). However, the numbers regarding the impact of CO2 are mostly just made up from sums of imagined future or previous natural disasters that can't be directly linked to CO2 emissions.
      - alphapapa 12y ago
        You mean the car he can use to go to the store, to visit family, to go on vacation, to drive in bad weather? The car he pays property tax, fuel tax, insurance, license fees, registration fees, etc on? Yeah, all those unrealized externalities...
        andrewliebchen 12y ago
        Give me a break. Gas taxes are suppose to pay for roads don't keep up with inflation. All the savings of deferred maintenance on our highway system could account for that, but maybe not.
      - bane 12y ago
        I'd still pay most of those things because I still have to own a car and taxes. At 35mpg, how often do you think I have to worry about gas? Peddling to work only eliminates the mild inconvenience of filling up my tank once every 2.5 weeks or so.
  - alphapapa 12y ago
    Answers like this are one of the problems inherent with this issue. One side bases its position on real problems. The other side responds with gross generalizations based on completely uninformed speculation. Then some politician tries to compromise. The average solution between real problem and imaginary solution is worse than the status quo, and everyone loses. The tyranny of the vocal minority brings us all down while everyone else was trying to get on with their lives. Way to go.

by daemin 12y ago

marincounty 12y ago

I think there are really some morning people, and night people? I can barely muster the energy to get into my car and point it towards work. If I camped, I would be the first one eaten by a Sabertooth Tiger. I quit a job because they required me there an hour earlier than other shops. Even if I have a playmate over--hands off until I wake up. Sorry Miss Simms--it wasen't you, I was tired.

bane 12y ago

In 20 years, I've only worked in one place that had a shower. To me, for practical and obvious reasons, it sounds like no number of bike lanes will get people riding if that isn't solved.

andrewliebchen 12y ago
I bet your have a gym within walking distance to your office. If you go to the gym when you get home, just shift your gym time to before work. You ride to your gym, take your shower, walk to work. Bam problem solved.
- bane 12y ago
  Nope. Even if I did, now I have to pay a monthly fee so I can have a crap ride to work? No thanks again!
  - andrewliebchen 12y ago
    You already pay a monthly fee to have a crap drive to work in your car. If only you could be charged for the negative externalities of driving, the actual cost of maintaining the road, to park your car, to fill your gas tank...maybe you'd have a different opinion.
    - hueving 12y ago
      I wouldn't call a 10 minute car ride a 'crop drive'. That's a pretty good commute. Cost incurred by one car of maintaining the road is essentially negligible. The majority of road damage comes from heavy vehicles or weather. Additionally it's interesting you want to 'charge for externalities' when it's actually the cyclists getting a free ride in this category. License fees and gasoline taxes contribute to road funding. Nothing related to cycling does. I agree with parking, but only if it costs something. If the office already has it, you not using it will not likely save the company any money by refusing to use it. The only externality you might not be paying enough for to drive to work is the gas filling (assuming non electric). However, the numbers regarding the impact of CO2 are mostly just made up from sums of imagined future or previous natural disasters that can't be directly linked to CO2 emissions.
    - alphapapa 12y ago
      You mean the car he can use to go to the store, to visit family, to go on vacation, to drive in bad weather? The car he pays property tax, fuel tax, insurance, license fees, registration fees, etc on? Yeah, all those unrealized externalities...
      - andrewliebchen 12y ago
        Give me a break. Gas taxes are suppose to pay for roads don't keep up with inflation. All the savings of deferred maintenance on our highway system could account for that, but maybe not.
    - bane 12y ago
      I'd still pay most of those things because I still have to own a car and taxes. At 35mpg, how often do you think I have to worry about gas? Peddling to work only eliminates the mild inconvenience of filling up my tank once every 2.5 weeks or so.
- alphapapa 12y ago
  Answers like this are one of the problems inherent with this issue. One side bases its position on real problems. The other side responds with gross generalizations based on completely uninformed speculation. Then some politician tries to compromise. The average solution between real problem and imaginary solution is worse than the status quo, and everyone loses. The tyranny of the vocal minority brings us all down while everyone else was trying to get on with their lives. Way to go.