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> Similarly there is no drive to get more men into early childhood education or nursing. This is an oft-repeated canard in these discussions, but it's patently

> Similarly there is no drive to get more men into early childhood education or nursing. This is an oft-repeated canard in these discussions, but it's patently and demonstratively not true: getting men interested in nursing and ECE has been a large focus of those fields for years. Even a quick Google search would produce tons of information on various initiatives, studies, and scholarly articles, but here's a small sampling: http://aamn.org/ http://aamn.org/ http://web.jhu.edu/jhnmagazine/summer2009/features/men_in_nursing.html http://web.jhu.edu/jhnmagazine/summer2009/features/men_in_nu... https://www.discovernursing.com/men-in-nursing https://www.discovernursing.com/men-in-nursing http://folk.uio.no/olegmo/Men%20in%20Nursing/Evans%20J%201997.pdf http://folk.uio.no/olegmo/Men%20in%20Nursing/Evans%20J%20199... http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12710806 http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12710806 http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ618681 http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ618681 http://www.meninchildcare.co.uk/index.htm http://www.meninchildcare.co.uk/index.htm http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/61263553/male-preservice-teachers-discouragement-from-teaching http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/61263553/male-pre... http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1012564610349 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1012564610349

clockworkelf 12y ago
People choose jobs that make more money. Engineering jobs pay more than ECE.
ElComradio 12y ago
There may be some initiatives by some groups, but in the popular consciousness (mainstream media outlets) it's simply not true that there is a focus on "where are all the men in childcare?" of even 1% of the focus on "we need more women programmers stat!" But yes, it is strictly true that 'a drive' exists. A single person crusading for it would make it true.
wyager 12y ago
Perhaps adrianN has this sentiment because there is never, ever, any mention of these agencies on hacker news or other news outlets that I frequent. These organizations may exist, but no one seems to care about them. Perhaps adrianN really meant to ask why this was the case.
- Anechoic 12y ago
  A google search shows a bunch of related articles in the NY Times, Boston Globe, and CNN (for example, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/business/increasingly-men-seek-success-in-jobs-dominated-by-women.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/business/increasingly-men-... http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/11/18/hunt_is_on_for_more_men_to_lead_classrooms/?page=full http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/11/1... http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/21/duncan-black-male-teachers-needed-2/ http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/21/duncan-black-male-t... - this is not an exhaustive listing or an exhaustive search). Plenty is written about it, but it's likely that people not focused on those subjects don't notice it.

clockworkelf 12y ago

People choose jobs that make more money. Engineering jobs pay more than ECE.

ElComradio 12y ago

There may be some initiatives by some groups, but in the popular consciousness (mainstream media outlets) it's simply not true that there is a focus on "where are all the men in childcare?" of even 1% of the focus on "we need more women programmers stat!" But yes, it is strictly true that 'a drive' exists. A single person crusading for it would make it true.

wyager 12y ago

Perhaps adrianN has this sentiment because there is never, ever, any mention of these agencies on hacker news or other news outlets that I frequent. These organizations may exist, but no one seems to care about them. Perhaps adrianN really meant to ask why this was the case.

Anechoic 12y ago
A google search shows a bunch of related articles in the NY Times, Boston Globe, and CNN (for example, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/business/increasingly-men-seek-success-in-jobs-dominated-by-women.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/business/increasingly-men-... http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/11/18/hunt_is_on_for_more_men_to_lead_classrooms/?page=full http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/11/1... http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/21/duncan-black-male-teachers-needed-2/ http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/21/duncan-black-male-t... - this is not an exhaustive listing or an exhaustive search). Plenty is written about it, but it's likely that people not focused on those subjects don't notice it.