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>Minor thought : this leak is still a pretty big deal. But it feels like wikileaks is the wrong place for this - like the main media organisations should have a

>Minor thought : this leak is still a pretty big deal. But it feels like wikileaks is the wrong place for this - like the main media organisations should have already got their investigatory acts together and made wiki leaks irrelevant. Wall Street and the mainstream media go hand in hand. That is why this would never have been leaked by them, and why they won't give it anything except the most cursory reporting now it is leaked. If you're waiting for them to get their investigatory acts together you'll be waiting forever. Wikileaks exists because they refuse to.

lifeisstillgood 12y ago
I think there are very few conspiracies, just confluences of self-interests. Newspapers are dying, but their original need - to publish what was originally hidden, to shine a light on government, still exists and seems to be well served by the Wikileaks core of true anonymity - and so faced with destruction I would expect some newspapers to morph into Wikileaks with a two hundred year track record. I am seeing this in WaPo and Guardian and maybe al-jazera
- crdoconnor 12y ago
  It's not a conspiracy any more than the media being 98% fervently pro war in the run up to Iraq was a conspiracy. It's simply the combination of a dry (but fantastically important) subject and a high likelihood of making powerful enemies by reporting on it. These things won't stifle reporting on this leak entirely, but they will result in the reporting being significantly muted, conciliatory and perfunctory. E.g. like Krugman's absurd "nothing to see here, move along people" post about TTP: http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/02/tanks-or-cars-why-krugman-is-missing-the-point-on-trade-deals/ http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/02/tanks-or-cars-why-krug...
  - lifeisstillgood 12y ago
    Like right and wron I think we are looking at more greyed versions of conspiracy - idealistic - will choose the "right path" as a differentiator or ethical choice - conspiracy - consciously works with others for a purpose known to be wrong. But inher wren those we have at least - cock-up - whilst intentions are good the implementation fails - head-in-sand - while the going is good and the consequences are not clear (but obviously not good) ignore and follow the common herd. This seems to be the majority of the financial crash, and is a regulatory fail not a conspiracy.
- spacemanmatt 12y ago
  Conspiracies grow out of confluences of self-interest. This is why, for example, felons are prohibited from associating with each other.

lifeisstillgood 12y ago

I think there are very few conspiracies, just confluences of self-interests. Newspapers are dying, but their original need - to publish what was originally hidden, to shine a light on government, still exists and seems to be well served by the Wikileaks core of true anonymity - and so faced with destruction I would expect some newspapers to morph into Wikileaks with a two hundred year track record. I am seeing this in WaPo and Guardian and maybe al-jazera

crdoconnor 12y ago
It's not a conspiracy any more than the media being 98% fervently pro war in the run up to Iraq was a conspiracy. It's simply the combination of a dry (but fantastically important) subject and a high likelihood of making powerful enemies by reporting on it. These things won't stifle reporting on this leak entirely, but they will result in the reporting being significantly muted, conciliatory and perfunctory. E.g. like Krugman's absurd "nothing to see here, move along people" post about TTP: http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/02/tanks-or-cars-why-krugman-is-missing-the-point-on-trade-deals/ http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/02/tanks-or-cars-why-krug...
- lifeisstillgood 12y ago
  Like right and wron I think we are looking at more greyed versions of conspiracy - idealistic - will choose the "right path" as a differentiator or ethical choice - conspiracy - consciously works with others for a purpose known to be wrong. But inher wren those we have at least - cock-up - whilst intentions are good the implementation fails - head-in-sand - while the going is good and the consequences are not clear (but obviously not good) ignore and follow the common herd. This seems to be the majority of the financial crash, and is a regulatory fail not a conspiracy.
spacemanmatt 12y ago
Conspiracies grow out of confluences of self-interest. This is why, for example, felons are prohibited from associating with each other.