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It's much simpler than that. It actually makes writing a compiler easier as you have higher level abstractions to work compared to generating machine code. Ther

by didroe 12y ago

It's much simpler than that. It actually makes writing a compiler easier as you have higher level abstractions to work compared to generating machine code. There are many languages that compile to C which should prove to you that it can be done. I don't see why targeting C++ would be any different and I'm sure there are languages already out there that do.

Someone 12y ago
You can compile any language down to C or C++, but that doesn't mean that it will run as fast as well-optimized C/C++. The moment you include dynamic dispatch, auto-conversion to big integers, or one of a zillion of other high-level features without also introducing ways for the programmer to indicate how the compiler should implement them, you give up being just as fast as C/C++. Yes, the difference may be small, and spending time on improving your compiler can make it smaller and smaller, but for any 'real world program', it won't be zero. The same is true for C vs assembly, but there, the difference mostly _is_ small because C has none of those high-level features. Also, few people have the skills and the time to wrote well-optimized C/C++.
- mreiland 12y ago
  bam, nailed that shit, especially the point about performance costs inherent in a feature set rather than in a language. I just didn't want to continue a conversation with someone who thinks adjusting the age old "optimizations will eventually make it as fast" to be "compiling to C/C++ as an optimization will eventually make it as fast" was somehow going to magically make it come true. It's the same old argument reskinned, and as you pointed out, the feature set has a lot to do with it.
  - derefr 12y ago
    I said nothing about "compiling to C/C++ as an optimization." I said targeting C++'s semantics (i.e. having only features C++ already has) makes a language fast.
    - mreiland 12y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7921511 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7921511 > If you want all the advantages of C++ compilers, you can write a backend for the language's compiler that generates C++.

by didroe 12y ago

Someone 12y ago

You can compile any language down to C or C++, but that doesn't mean that it will run as fast as well-optimized C/C++. The moment you include dynamic dispatch, auto-conversion to big integers, or one of a zillion of other high-level features without also introducing ways for the programmer to indicate how the compiler should implement them, you give up being just as fast as C/C++. Yes, the difference may be small, and spending time on improving your compiler can make it smaller and smaller, but for any 'real world program', it won't be zero. The same is true for C vs assembly, but there, the difference mostly _is_ small because C has none of those high-level features. Also, few people have the skills and the time to wrote well-optimized C/C++.

mreiland 12y ago
bam, nailed that shit, especially the point about performance costs inherent in a feature set rather than in a language. I just didn't want to continue a conversation with someone who thinks adjusting the age old "optimizations will eventually make it as fast" to be "compiling to C/C++ as an optimization will eventually make it as fast" was somehow going to magically make it come true. It's the same old argument reskinned, and as you pointed out, the feature set has a lot to do with it.
- derefr 12y ago
  I said nothing about "compiling to C/C++ as an optimization." I said targeting C++'s semantics (i.e. having only features C++ already has) makes a language fast.
  - mreiland 12y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7921511 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7921511 > If you want all the advantages of C++ compilers, you can write a backend for the language's compiler that generates C++.