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This surprised me too. Anyone from New York care to comment?

Mz 12y ago
I am not from New York. But I immediately thought of this recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7904567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7904567
Tiksi 12y ago
I feel like this could be due to how they define 'New York Metro'. I see a lot of people (myself included) moving out of New York City proper and moving to much much cheaper areas like New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester County, etc. This is especially true for recent college grads who simply cannot afford to live comfortably in the city while working at an "entry level" job. I feel like many of us in the tech sector forget this since we,overall, have a decent starting salary in our field, and the "First job out of college" is frequently not the first job in the industry. In other industries the your first job will pay not too much over minimum wage, especially if the field isn't competitive. So while the data may show people leaving New York, it may not tell the whole picture. My own experience shows otherwise, though I am aware that anecdotes are not data. People may be moving out of New York City, but they aren't leaving New York City.
- techsupporter 12y ago
  Does anyone have a guess as to who all of these people are who are moving into these expensive metro areas? I read the same thing about Seattle, that it's too expensive to live comfortably in the city so people are moving to the bordering suburbs (like Shoreline or Burien), yet the city grew faster than the suburbs over the past couple of years. Is this a case of "nobody goes there, it's too crowded" or am I missing a link somewhere?
  - worldpeace 12y ago
    This is measuring domestic migration, New York City's growth is primarily international migration. Here's an article from the same guys explaining the difference: http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/04/2-very-different-migrations-driving-growth-us-cities/8873/ http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/04/2-very-different-mig...
  - Tiksi 12y ago
    Well I say "a lot of people" but its still a minority. Most people do stay in the city, live with roommates, etc. 30k people is an insignificant drop in the bucket compared to NYC's 8 million residents. On top of that, There are a lot of people who move into the city who already have established careers and have a well paying job lined up, or moved out of the city after college and then moved back after they've moved into higher paying positions. On top of that there is a lot of international money moving into New York, as another commenter mentioned, and generally into the 2+br apartments with a family, further driving up the cost of living even with a roommate in the "safe" areas.

Mz 12y ago

I am not from New York. But I immediately thought of this recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7904567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7904567

Tiksi 12y ago

I feel like this could be due to how they define 'New York Metro'. I see a lot of people (myself included) moving out of New York City proper and moving to much much cheaper areas like New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester County, etc. This is especially true for recent college grads who simply cannot afford to live comfortably in the city while working at an "entry level" job. I feel like many of us in the tech sector forget this since we,overall, have a decent starting salary in our field, and the "First job out of college" is frequently not the first job in the industry. In other industries the your first job will pay not too much over minimum wage, especially if the field isn't competitive. So while the data may show people leaving New York, it may not tell the whole picture. My own experience shows otherwise, though I am aware that anecdotes are not data. People may be moving out of New York City, but they aren't leaving New York City.

techsupporter 12y ago
Does anyone have a guess as to who all of these people are who are moving into these expensive metro areas? I read the same thing about Seattle, that it's too expensive to live comfortably in the city so people are moving to the bordering suburbs (like Shoreline or Burien), yet the city grew faster than the suburbs over the past couple of years. Is this a case of "nobody goes there, it's too crowded" or am I missing a link somewhere?
- worldpeace 12y ago
  This is measuring domestic migration, New York City's growth is primarily international migration. Here's an article from the same guys explaining the difference: http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/04/2-very-different-migrations-driving-growth-us-cities/8873/ http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/04/2-very-different-mig...
- Tiksi 12y ago
  Well I say "a lot of people" but its still a minority. Most people do stay in the city, live with roommates, etc. 30k people is an insignificant drop in the bucket compared to NYC's 8 million residents. On top of that, There are a lot of people who move into the city who already have established careers and have a well paying job lined up, or moved out of the city after college and then moved back after they've moved into higher paying positions. On top of that there is a lot of international money moving into New York, as another commenter mentioned, and generally into the 2+br apartments with a family, further driving up the cost of living even with a roommate in the "safe" areas.